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Content_WG #1 Posted Apr 16 2014 - 22:22

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ForcestormX #2 Posted Apr 16 2014 - 22:28

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It's funny you emphasize historical variant for the Pz IV and StuG, but not the Ferdi, Tiger, Panther, SU-152, especially the KV-1S, and most of the rest...

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View PostForcestormX, on Apr 16 2014 - 17:28, said:

It's funny you emphasize historical variant for the Pz IV and StuG, but not the Ferdi, Tiger, Panther, SU-152, especially the KV-1S, and most of the rest...

 

Because in 9.0 those two tanks are getting new historical variants. 



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Would it be possible to have a Ponyri map, modeled around the northern front of the Kursk salient?

 

edit: Also, the WT E-100 in the launcher has the British L7 105mm gun from the Cent 7/1, since it has the bore evacuator on the barrel. Nice art fail WG:great:

View Postvenomjoe, on Apr 16 2014 - 14:44, said:

I call russian bias

 

See, the panzer IIIs and IVs at the time had already seen some form of upgrade, most of the soviet tanks barely got any of the best equipment for them. A huge amount of the T-34s that were produced didnt even get a radio. The panther also at this time, wasnt even fully upgraded, you have to realize this was the first time it saw combat. Also the IS' at the time barely had any of the best guns or equitment

 >implying that the tanks don't get their historical setups

>implying that Russian bias actually exists


Edited by PeanutFly, Apr 16 2014 - 22:49.


venomjoe #5 Posted Apr 16 2014 - 22:44

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I call russian bias

 

See, the panzer IIIs and IVs at the time had already seen some form of upgrade, most of the soviet tanks barely got any of the best equipment for them. A huge amount of the T-34s that were produced didnt even get a radio. The panther also at this time, wasnt even fully upgraded, you have to realize this was the first time it saw combat.


Edited by venomjoe, Apr 16 2014 - 22:46.


Tiger131ace #6 Posted Apr 16 2014 - 22:46

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no matter if the russians won the real battle, i'm going to play german, and i'm going to kick arses:justwait:

Legiondude #7 Posted Apr 16 2014 - 22:49

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The Panther in the banner has the 75mm L/48

venomjoe #8 Posted Apr 16 2014 - 22:51

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View PostTiger131ace, on Apr 16 2014 - 17:46, said:

no matter if the russians won the real battle, i'm going to play german, and i'm going to kick arses:justwait:

The Germans put up a really good fight considering the Russians had twice the amount of forces

Unfortunately the Russians had an unlimited amount of cannon fodder to send out to overwhelm the Germans



Panserbjorne393 #9 Posted Apr 16 2014 - 23:16

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A well written blog and interesting read thanks. I'm looking forward to 9.0! 

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It won't matter what tanks are pitted against one another, the failhard factor, and mm mismatch of player skills will determine the winner.

Noskills #11 Posted Apr 16 2014 - 23:23

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So what happens when everyone decides to go all SU-152 mega derp cannon team? That's obviously the most powerful gun.

joel9507 #12 Posted Apr 17 2014 - 00:01

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A well written blog entry.  

 

One element missing, though, is the notice the English provided the Russians.  The Soviets were given orders of battle and jumpoff dates (which changed during the spring as the launch was delayed by Hitler to get more of the new tanks) throughout the months proceeding the attack.  The Soviets trusted the advice, based their strategy on it, and used the advance notice to make the key areas very heavily fortified, and to stage their reserves at the right places.

 

How the Brits managed to get this info to the Soviets in a way the Soviets would act on (both allies distrusted one another) and without compromising the secret of the Enigma code-breakers, where the information originated, is a fascinating story.

 

 



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So are they going to also choose a random panther at the beginning of each battle to catch on fire as well? Because, you know, historically accurate...

An_Average_Jho #14 Posted Apr 17 2014 - 00:32

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View PostNoskills, on Apr 16 2014 - 16:16, said:

So are they going to also choose a random panther at the beginning of each battle to catch on fire as well? Because, you know, historically accurate...

 

And Ferdinands have to wait until night-time to repair their tracks :teethhappy:



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Personally looking forward to this new mode, not a perfect representation by any means but it should be fun if balanced well in the game.

 

Interesting fact that 2SS Pz Corps Divisions that fought near and at Prokorovkha did not have access to the Panthers or Ferdinand (they were only used in the northern sector), the SS D I've at Prok did have access to about 30-40 Tigers with the majority of their armour being made up of Pz4's, 3's and Stug's, but nowhere near the often quoted and misleading 700 figure (this was more like the total number employed across the whole front at the time not just at Prok, which was a relatively small part of the whole battle). 

 

My pick for best reads are the newer history books:

Demolishing the Myth by Valeriy Zamulin

The Battle of Kursk by David M. Glantz

 

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View Postjoel9507, on Apr 16 2014 - 16:01, said:

A well written blog entry.  

 

One element missing, though, is the notice the English provided the Russians.  The Soviets were given orders of battle and jumpoff dates (which changed during the spring as the launch was delayed by Hitler to get more of the new tanks) throughout the months proceeding the attack.  The Soviets trusted the advice, based their strategy on it, and used the advance notice to make the key areas very heavily fortified, and to stage their reserves at the right places.

 

How the Brits managed to get this info to the Soviets in a way the Soviets would act on (both allies distrusted one another) and without compromising the secret of the Enigma code-breakers, where the information originated, is a fascinating story.

 

 


Thank you. I'm pleased you like the article. I was happy to have the opportunity to research and write it!

 

For such a large and long-running battle, we did have to do some edits to the article to shorten it for publication.

 

I had a bit written about the British contribution, which I can detail below, and which would have pick up after the line:

 

"Even with these new weapons, the German command was not sure if the attack would be successful.'

"The doubters were correct to be worried. British Intelligence had broken the German codes, and were able to report the German plans in detail to the Russian commanders, (with the reports being corroborated and further detailed by a Russian agent at Bletchley Park.)

This gave the Russian forces time to prepare an elaborate and complex set of fixed defenses around Kursk, as well as organize a large combined arms force, known as the Steppe Front, to hold the line, as they were expecting a strong attack in the north and had moved most of their forces there."

 



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Its time to reactivate my T-70!:izmena:

To bad they are not implementing minefields ...you know, just for the fun...


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MandoWarrior1 #18 Posted Apr 17 2014 - 01:10

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Dis gonna be good. My brother has his Ferdi ready to go. Germans are going to lay the SMACK DOWN. :D

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Time to take out the sexy Panther. :izmena:

 

 

And good job on the article WellingtonBoot It was a nice read. 

 

 



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Why do you guys say unfortunately the Russian forces beat the Germans ! I would like to thank the Russians for helping so greatly in the war !! And by the way the Germans might of had good tanks but so did Russia.

  






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