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MadMike32 #1 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 02:20

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Today (April 24) holds a bit of personal significance for me as the day of remembrance for the Armenian Genocide, and event that claimed the lives of 1.5 million people, including my great-grandfather Hovsap Gedalian's parents and eight siblings.  To quote Wikipedia:

 

The date 24 April commemorates the Armenian notables deported from the Ottoman capital in 1915, hundreds of Armenian intellectuals and community leaders, most of whom would be executed, which was a precursor to the ensuing events.

The date was chosen by Lebanese Armenians to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Genocide in 1965.[3] The same day witnessed illegal demonstrations staged by Armenians in Yerevan the capital of Soviet Armenia. The Armenian protests got out of control and calm was restored with difficulty.[4]

On 9 April 1975, the US House of Representatives passed Joint Resolution 148 designating 24 April as a National Day of Remembrance of Man’s Inhumanity to Man. The Resolution commemorated the victims of genocide, especially those of Armenian ancestry who succumbed to the genocide perpetrated in 1915, The resolution however failed to pass in the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee due to President Gerald R. Ford’s strong opposition to what he saw as a threat to the country's strategic alliance with Turkey.[5]

Popularity of the day rose in diaspora as a result of anti-Turkish operations by Armenian groups such as the ASALA, and attendance of Genocide Day demonstrations rose in France from several hundreds to over 10,000 in 1981.[5]

Soviet Armenia formally adopted 24 April as a public day of commemoration in 1988.[6] In 1997 the California State Assembly declared 24 April as a Day of Remembrance for the Armenian Genocide of 1915–1923, and for the victims of the Sumgait Pogroms of 1988 and Baku Riots of 1990.[7]

 

I suppose, in a strange sort of way, I owe my existence to this.  Had he not fled his home country in 1910, at the age of 14, my great-grandfather would never have met his wife in Tennessee and a whole branch of my family tree would never have come to be.

 

Hovsap Gedalian (cca. 1926)



_Koi #2 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 02:23

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yes, i remember learning about this in history class. it was a terrible tradgedy, 

DanielMc #3 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 02:31

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God bless you and I feel the same way, mans inhumanity to man is destroying our great world even today and needs to be addressed. May the Day live on and may we remember the martyrs.

Lionheart1917 #4 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 02:35

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View Postkoiboy4343, on Apr 24 2014 - 21:23, said:

yes, i remember learning about this in history class. it was a terrible tradgedy, 

 

What's worse is that we deride the Germans and the Nazi party for the Holocaust, but conveniently ignore the deaths of over two million Christian Armenians by the Ottoman Turks. The West should be ashamed of itself.



MadMike32 #5 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 02:38

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View PostLionheart1917, on Apr 24 2014 - 21:35, said:

 

What's worse is that we deride the Germans and the Nazi party for the Holocaust, but conveniently ignore the deaths of over two million Christian Armenians by the Ottoman Turks. The West should be ashamed of itself.

Such is world politics.  When we're allied with a country that likes to deny its unsavory role in history, we tend to conveniently forget things as a people.



Sturg303 #6 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 02:40

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Do not forget the Bangladeshi Genocide where 3 million Bangladeshis were killed by the Pakistani army in 1971.

OGWretch #7 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 02:40

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The Russians lost over 26 million people total in WWII.

 

People can be pretty hateful...



Tiger_23 #8 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 02:49

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My condolences, humans are a disgrace. Dates like this should be remembered to we don't repeat such things again. I'm sure that god is blessing these souls.

 

View PostOGWretch, on Apr 24 2014 - 22:40, said:

The Russians lost over 26 million people total in WWII.

 

People can be pretty hateful...

 

Around 20,000,000 civilians...plus other 10-15 million killed during the 'Purges'.



Desert_Faux #9 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 11:00

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Serj Tankian singing the "Armenian Song"

 



Daigensui #10 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 11:04

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I follow the Turkish position: it is a tragedy brought forth by the madness of war (and Armenian backstabbing), but deliberate genocide? No.

Lionheart1917 #11 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 18:12

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View PostDaigensui, on Apr 25 2014 - 06:04, said:

I follow the Turkish position: it is a tragedy brought forth by the madness of war (and Armenian backstabbing), but deliberate genocide? No.

 

How is the death of over two million people NOT deliberate genocide? That's like saying everyone who died in the Holocaust just dropped dead of their own accord.



Daigensui #12 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 20:34

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View PostLionheart1917, on Apr 25 2014 - 10:12, said:

How is the death of over two million people NOT deliberate genocide? That's like saying everyone who died in the Holocaust just dropped dead of their own accord.

 

Because the purpose of the forced movement was not the extermination of Armenians. By your logic, the Trail of Tears was genocide.



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View PostDaigensui, on Apr 25 2014 - 13:34, said:

 

Because the purpose of the forced movement was not the extermination of Armenians. By your logic, the Trail of Tears was genocide.

I'll disagree with that assertion. Mostly since the Armenian genocide contains a lot more than just "forced movement". Not going to defend the "Trail of Tears" either, but the two are not simple parallels of each other.



Daigensui #14 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 20:52

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View Post_Hellscythe_Delusion_, on Apr 25 2014 - 12:50, said:

I'll disagree with that assertion. Mostly since the Armenian genocide contains a lot more than just "forced movement". Not going to defend the "Trail of Tears" either, but the two are not simple parallels of each other.

 

They were certainly not genocide since the goal wasn't the eradication of Armenians from the Ottoman Empire or the Native Americans from the United States. That's the point being made here: People with interest are twisting  the meaning of genocide either to suit their political goals or because they're ignorant.



MadMike32 #15 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 21:10

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View PostDaigensui, on Apr 25 2014 - 15:52, said:

 

They were certainly not genocide since the goal wasn't the eradication of Armenians from the Ottoman Empire or the Native Americans from the United States. That's the point being made here: People with interest are twisting  the meaning of genocide either to suit their political goals or because they're ignorant.

It's worth pointing out the firing squads, death camps, mass burnings, etc.  The Armenian Genocide had a lot more in common with the Holocaust than anything.



Daigensui #16 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 21:15

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View PostMadMike32, on Apr 25 2014 - 13:10, said:

It's worth pointing out the firing squads, death camps, mass burnings, etc.  The Armenian Genocide had a lot more in common with the Holocaust than anything.

 

"Death camps" due to criminal negligence on calculating logistics, and putting down traitors is legitimate action.

 

Don't try blurring the lines to suit victim portrayal. A genocide is considered a genocide by the why, not the how. Firing squads, death camps, mass burnings have been done by millions of times, yet we don't call them genocide when they weren't for the purpose of exterminating a certain ethnic group, do we? 



lexica #17 Posted Apr 25 2014 - 23:07

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Ok let's not forget history is written by the victors. This debate will never end. Inb4 lock



okjoek #18 Posted Apr 26 2014 - 00:42

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Such a terrible tragedy. It is important to learn from history so that we will not be doomed to repeat such mistakes. Time will heal wounds when given the chance. It is wise to eventually forgive, but never forget.

 

As Polish blood I take pride in what my ancestors went through to have a free homeland, and at the same time I try not to be too selfish with pride as I realize there are less fortunate cultures in our world who don't have that opportunity.

 

Even with horrible crimes like Katyn and the Holocaust I wish it were so easy to forgive. To forever hate goes against everything I've always believed in surrounding my faith. To do so would merely make me no better than they.



Lionheart1917 #19 Posted Apr 26 2014 - 16:31

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Found out yesterday that it is illegal to deny the Armenian Genocide in France, as of 2012.




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