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WarStore #61 Posted May 03 2014 - 23:22

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Was there any doubt that the majority of the good/great players hates cancer?

Evocoot #62 Posted May 03 2014 - 23:24

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What format is your raw data in? I have spss sitting on my laptop and free time on my hands once finals period is over.

LuckyStarFan #63 Posted May 03 2014 - 23:25

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Because artillery players use XVM and target better players.  Because no matter how good I am, I cannot defend against or destroy an artillery who is on the other side of the map.  I can position my tank to defend against and attack other tanks near me.  If artillery attacked people at random it would be less problematic. Good players however are targeted much more frequently so it is a much bigger pain in the [edited]for them.

Cinphul #64 Posted May 03 2014 - 23:27

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View Post_Intrepid, on May 03 2014 - 18:16, said:

Not going to do this with you. Post like an adult, we can discuss it. Post things like this and I'm going to ignore it to avoid a derail.

 

The child that says his stuff is posted in an archaic language known as English need not try to then tell others to "post like an adult", because clearly they are not capable of posting like an adult themselves, and thus can not be taken seriously when making such statements.



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View Postaqollo, on May 04 2014 - 00:14, said:

Also intreped. do other regressions other than linear and show me the graph pls.

 

Specify what you'd like, I don't want to run back and forth running "yeah but" tests. :)



_Intrepid #66 Posted May 03 2014 - 23:32

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View PostEvocoot, on May 04 2014 - 00:24, said:

What format is your raw data in? I have spss sitting on my laptop and free time on my hands once finals period is over.

 

I put it up in Open Office Calc format, ods. 



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I always assumed if someone was to poll a topic concerning skill level of players vs. arty, it would look something similar to this.

 

I am not the best player but I do consider myself average and know how the game works.

 

There is a set amount of damage an artillery piece can do per battle firing at different tanks in different areas, however they cannot block a choke-point / ram enemies / go and cap the base like say a medium or relatively mobile heavy could. This is why higher skill level players play the other tanks, they can do more in a battle , they have more things they can use to win the battle in a TD, heavy or medium, instead of firing at a target at a time or counter battering with artillery every 30 seconds.

 

 



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View PostWarStore, on May 04 2014 - 00:22, said:

Was there any doubt that the majority of the good/great players hates cancer?

 

By some, yes. We can now lay that doubt to rest.



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View Post_Intrepid, on May 03 2014 - 16:31, said:

 

Specify what you'd like, I don't want to run back and forth running "yeah but" tests. :)

 

Isotonic regression please.



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I'm going to assume Intrepid doesn't like arty, and that is why people are questioning the results? So if I come clean and voted the I don't really care option, as a dead average player almost, without an axe to grind would my running of that stats be more acceptable to the ones doubting them?

Cinphul #71 Posted May 03 2014 - 23:39

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View PostEvocoot, on May 03 2014 - 18:16, said:

Since its an open poll I assume anyone questioning his presentation of results could go ahead and backcheck them. It would seem a fairly simple conclusion that those who rely least on randomness would be those who least like the most random of classes, I'd have probably agreed to the op's hypothesis before seeing data to back it up. Questioning his research methodology without actually presenting anything to prove he's shady is just as shady as some are accusing him of being.

 

You want to know what the real problem with this is?  It's that all polls are garbage.

 

Watch the first few minutes of this to see what's actually going on here:

 



Donward #72 Posted May 03 2014 - 23:40

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Gotta laugh at all the self proclaimed "good" players who just can't figure out how to combat big bad arty.

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View PostDonward, on May 03 2014 - 18:40, said:

Gotta laugh at all the self proclaimed "good" players who just can't figure out how to combat big bad arty.

I like laughing at people that laugh at people that laugh at people that laugh at people......

 



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View PostLuckyStarFan, on May 03 2014 - 18:25, said:

Because artillery players use XVM and target better players.  Because no matter how good I am, I cannot defend against or destroy an artillery who is on the other side of the map.  I can position my tank to defend against and attack other tanks near me.  If artillery attacked people at random it would be less problematic. Good players however are targeted much more frequently so it is a much bigger pain in the [edited]for them.

... I must be the only arty player in the entire game that does not use xvm. :amazed:  To me, if you are in the open, are a threat (ie a gun in play or about to kill my team, or are coming my way) you are a target. I only sort out from their which of those targets is more "targety." 



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View Post__DC__, on May 04 2014 - 00:42, said:

I like laughing at people that laugh at people that laugh at people that laugh at people......

 


I laughed.

 

I also find it interesting that NOT ONE person above 2900 likes arty.  Apparently.



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View Post__DC__, on May 03 2014 - 15:42, said:

I like laughing at people that laugh at people that laugh at people that laugh at people......

 

Hahahahahaha... ha... cough...*spits up phlegm*... Hahahahahaha.



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View PostCinphul, on May 04 2014 - 00:39, said:

 

You want to know what the real problem with this is?  It's that all polls are garbage.

 

Watch the first few minutes of this to see what's actually going on here:

 

 

 

It is possible to have a relatively unbiased poll, and they do occur. I agree though that they are often biased, particularly when they involve politics or lobbying, and the OP is certainly acting as a lobbyist. 

 

That doesn't guarantee that the poll or results are flawed, but it does give reason for close scrutiny.

 

Edit: It is also worth mentioning that the top players being against something does not necessarily make that something bad for the game. There may be philosophical reasons they dislike it with respect to their preferred playstyle, or other biases not necessarily shared by the rest of the player base.


Edited by Draconis76, May 03 2014 - 23:55.


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View PostEvocoot, on May 04 2014 - 00:39, said:

I'm going to assume Intrepid doesn't like arty, and that is why people are questioning the results? So if I come clean and voted the I don't really care option, as a dead average player almost, without an axe to grind would my running of that stats be more acceptable to the ones doubting them?

 

Yes this is why. Feel free to run whatever you like on the data available in the file in the opening post.



Evocoot #79 Posted May 03 2014 - 23:54

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Penn and Teller are awesome. But they aren't completely correct on this one. Polling can,is and will be used in nefarious ways. Numbers can dance and make dragons fly out of monkeys butts in the right hands. Properly conducted research can on the other hand produce tangible, truthful results. It's in the presentation and the methodology. Questioning larger and larger relations just starts to look like you have your own axe to grind here, present something tangible as a counter beyond hyperbole. The best counter to bad research is good research.

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View PostDraconis76, on May 03 2014 - 16:51, said:

 

It is possible to have a relatively unbiased poll, and they do occur. I agree though that they are often biased, particularly when they involve politics or lobbying, and the OP is certainly acting as a lobbyist. 

 

That doesn't guarantee that the poll or results are flawed, but it does give reason for close scrutiny.

 

Look at the poll questions they are flawed and CLEARLY biased. I wouldn't say the poll is reliable until the polling questions are reworked. Want an example?

8 = Overhaul, but remove artillery if that's not enough

6 = Overhaul, but keep artillery

 







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