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RD170 #1 Posted May 12 2014 - 10:27

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http://ftr.wot-news....storation-hype/

 

Forums, this is all your fault.



RedShocktrooper #2 Posted May 12 2014 - 10:28

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Let Maus Rust!

Ultimaetus #3 Posted May 12 2014 - 10:37

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I blame bigoted ultra-nationalist museum people

White_Tiger117 #4 Posted May 12 2014 - 10:39

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View PostUltimaetus, on May 12 2014 - 02:37, said:

I blame bigoted ultra-nationalist museum people

 

Well considering one of the most Iconic tanks of ww2 keeps getting nerf batted........ 

 

*edited: I read what the they posted and feel sick about how rude it is* For those not wanting to click links.....here you go.

 

“Central Museum of Armored Vehicles” of the Ministry of Defense of Russian Federation officially states, that the information of the restoration works on the tank “Maus”, which appeared in various mass media, is not true. It’s a perspective project, which is in the state of negotiations and approval. The Museum staff is outraged by the insolence, ignorance and absolute lack of patriotism of the employees of the aforementioned mass media.

The Museum will never prioritize the restoration of the German tank “Maus”, or any foreign tank to any of the Russian military anniversaries, let alone the Day of Victory celebration, which is the most important celebration for us. The restoration of the German tank is not “a great honor for us” as the journalists write, but a simple planned work. Restoration works on this projects, if they happen at all, will be carried out following the order of work.

Currently, the Museum, exclusively on its own, restores the legendary Soviet tank T-35 to be ready for the 70th Anniversary of the Great Victory, for which we are rightfully proud.

Furthermore, the information about our exclusive partnership with company Wargaming is not true. An “exclusive” partnership with any organization is out of the question, as the Museum is a public institution, that in the past cooperated and always will cooperate with all organizations and institution for the good of our Motherland within the framework of joint projects and programs, aimed at the Museum development, patriotic education and prevention of historical facts falsification.

With kind regards
Administration of the Museum”

This harsh text is apparently a reaction on earlier news articles (here for example), bombastically claiming the exclusive partnership of Kubinka with Wargaming. Bravo, WG PR department!

Shortly after this post, the group was closed for public (since this angry post got widely reposted on Russian forums and blogs) with one last message:

 

Wow...just....WOW! That T-35 (Which is an epic fail of a tank....) line makes me think the Maus they have needs to be sent to a Country that will be happy to restore such a rare tank! (Hell i bet Germany would love it back.........)

 


Edited by White_Tiger117, May 12 2014 - 10:55.


deathmachine16 #5 Posted May 12 2014 - 11:19

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Russian bias 

White_Tiger117 #6 Posted May 12 2014 - 11:21

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View Postdeathmachine16, on May 12 2014 - 03:19, said:

Russian bias 

 

Funny part is...........that is the problem lol!

 

(Oh and the fact apparently Wargameing & The community are not Russian Bias enough!)



RD170 #7 Posted May 12 2014 - 11:25

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To be honest, the T-35 has at least as much historical significance as the Maus, if not more.

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View PostRD170, on May 12 2014 - 03:25, said:

To be honest, the T-35 has at least as much historical significance as the Maus, if not more.

 

Well the Maus is the biggest Tank ever built........



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View PostWhite_Tiger117, on May 12 2014 - 12:37, said:

 

Well the Maus is the biggest Tank ever built........

 

And was a developmental dead end, whereas the T-35 contributed to the development of the KV series, and indirectly the IS series.



virus_SHAME #10 Posted May 12 2014 - 12:05

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View PostRedShocktrooper, on May 12 2014 - 02:28, said:

Let Maus Rust!

 

I liked the response that was given to you on the FTR website:

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Roger that, Kubinka staff member.


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View PostRD170, on May 12 2014 - 02:54, said:

 

And was a developmental dead end, whereas the T-35 contributed to the development of the KV series, and indirectly the IS series.

The Maus still wins because it contributed to the development of battleships.

True story.



SpartanCrusader #12 Posted May 12 2014 - 12:19

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Kind of hilarious that a MUSEUM would be so biased. Geez. 

okjoek #13 Posted May 12 2014 - 12:21

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Lol. The message from the Museum basically states that they would never prioritize a German tank because of soviet biases that they will work on the Russian ones first for the parades because that is their most sacred holiday (What, no Christmas? What boring people.).

 

Kind of sad to see these people are paranoid through their propaganda to the point where it's as if the cold war is still going. It must be all they ever had.



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Well isnt there other options of tanks to restore? T95? TOG 2?

Kilroy357 #15 Posted May 12 2014 - 12:33

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View PostSpartanCrusader, on May 12 2014 - 06:19, said:

Kind of hilarious that a MUSEUM would be so biased. Geez. 


This isn't your typical museum. They actively screen non-Russians who want to visit the museum. It's not a matter of simply buying tickets, if you're let in it's only because they don't think you're a threat or spy. Even then, they watch non-Russian visitors closely.

 

Where was that article from Cheiftain? Here we go:  http://worldoftanks....-hatch-kubinka/

He said there that is was difficult to get in and you were escorted around once there.

 

Knowing how much control they exert on who is even let in the doors, the bias revealed in this story about the Maus is unsurprising to me.



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I really, really hate Kubinka.  They have one of the most extensive armored vehicle collections in the world, and yet they choose to let it all rust and rot.  A museum's entire bloody job is to keep history alive and educate people on it, and they do such a poor job of this it's sad.  I'd much rather see the tanks split up and sold to smaller groups who will actually take care of them, than for Kubinka to keep their hoard together and selfishly parcel out little snippets of history to the public when they feel like it.

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View Postpindroper, on May 12 2014 - 07:31, said:

Well isnt there other options of tanks to restore? T95? TOG 2?


T95 is preserved at Fort Knox, and TOG is in lovely condition at Bovington

they could restore the only 8,8cm PaK 43 Krupp waffentrager or the Karl Great.... oh wait Kubinka has them too....


Edited by Hunter12396, May 12 2014 - 12:47.


Maltfourti #18 Posted May 12 2014 - 12:58

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Read til I saw patriotism mentioned, and knew exactly where this was going. There's yer Russian Bias. But to be fair, it is their choice what they do. I have a feeling the project is about to get back-burnered after that...

SdKfz252 #19 Posted May 12 2014 - 13:02

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T-35= Epic failure of a tank design, had one 7,62cm gun, along with multiple mg and smaller gun turrets. It was probably as long as the Maus, and was really expensive to make.

Maus= Bad tank design, but it signified how Germany was resorting to unorthodox methods just to stay afloat for one more day. It shows the German Struggle, as the Germans were backed into the corner of the room, about to be totally destroyed by the massive and technologically superior Red Army. This thing has way more historical significance than that ugly-(edited for language) piece of crap T-35.



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View PostKilroy357, on May 12 2014 - 04:33, said:


This isn't your typical museum. They actively screen non-Russians who want to visit the museum. It's not a matter of simply buying tickets, if you're let in it's only because they don't think you're a threat or spy. Even then, they watch non-Russian visitors closely.

 

Where was that article from Cheiftain? Here we go:  http://worldoftanks....-hatch-kubinka/

He said there that is was difficult to get in and you were escorted around once there.

 

Knowing how much control they exert on who is even let in the doors, the bias revealed in this story about the Maus is unsurprising to me.

 

Oh ya that's right! They think we want to steal there ww2 tank designs for are own use! (Insert Leopard 2 & Challenger 2 laughing here....Well the Abrams drinks at the bar)

 

*cough*

 

Anyhow as they put it there "Soviet Tanks" will be given the priority....... I Can't help but think Germany,America and the Uk should ask for there tanks back. (IF they say no which they will i suggest deployment of the all mighty Drone Transports to steal them!)







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