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[virus_SHAME]

FTR poasted a followup to what has been going on.  After reading the follow up all I can say is:

 

[M103_Longstreet]

SdKfz252, on May 12 2014 - 05:02, said:

T-35= Epic failure of a tank design, had one 7,62cm gun, along with multiple mg and smaller gun turrets. It was probably as long as the Maus, and was really expensive to make.

Maus= Bad tank design, but it signified how Germany was resorting to unorthodox methods just to stay afloat for one more day. It shows the German Struggle, as the Germans were backed into the corner of the room, about to be totally destroyed by the massive and technologically superior Red Army. This thing has way more historical significance than that ugly-(edited for language) piece of crap T-35.

 

lolwut

 

The T-35 contributed to the development of the KV-1 and T-28.

[SdKfz252]

T___A, on May 12 2014 - 17:45, said:

 

lolwut

 

The T-35 contributed to the development of the KV-1 and T-28.

The T-28 was a dead-end tank (With the exception for the artillery chassis). The KV-1 was different, Ill admit that it did influence the KV-1, and heavy tanks all around the world (KV-1 led to German development of better tanks, which led to the Russians and Americans to develop better tanks, which then made the rest of the world follow suit). Albeit that it inspired the KV-1, the T-28 was a dead-end tank.

EDIT (Like...20 seconds after I posted this):
I see the Maus as a more patriotic thing than the T-35. The Maus was the brainchild of a nation that was forced to create some dumb, large tank that would have no effect on the German War Machine against the Red Army, because the Red Army was so superior. If the Red Army wasnt superior to the Wehrmacht, the Germans wouldnt have made that 200+ ton tank.

Edited by SdKfz252, May 12 2014 - 22:54.

[M103_Longstreet]

SdKfz252, on May 12 2014 - 14:52, said:

The T-28 was a dead-end tank (With the exception for the artillery chassis). The KV-1 was different, Ill admit that it did influence the KV-1, and heavy tanks all around the world (KV-1 led to German development of better tanks, which led to the Russians and Americans to develop better tanks, which then made the rest of the world follow suit). Albeit that it inspired the KV-1, the T-28 was a dead-end tank.

 

The T-28 isn't a dead end tank seeing as it has an AA tank built on it, a SPG, the T-29. later war Soviet heavy tank aren't a response to German ones.

[SdKfz252]

T___A, on May 12 2014 - 17:56, said:

 

The T-28 isn't a dead end tank seeing as it has an AA tank built on it, a SPG, the T-29. later war Soviet heavy tank aren't a response to German ones.

That's why I included "With the exception of artillery chassis." Also, I couldnt find anything about an AA tank, but I did find info on the SU-8 and the T-29. I wasnt necessarily saying that in chronological order, it's just that the KV-1 inspired many tanks from many more nations other than Russia.

[xthetenth]

If the T-35 is a dead end then the Maus is a broken road cut off by collapsed bridges.

[doonglerules]

I used to think 'merica had over-the-top patriotism..

 

But then i took a Kubinka article to the brain..

[xthetenth]

I think restoring the Maus would've been a perfect Victory day celebration. They just need to restore the Obj. 704 or an ISU-152-2 to working condition and blow a few rounds through its front for the fireworks display.

[smol_katy]

xthetenth, on May 12 2014 - 17:20, said:

I think restoring the Maus would've been a perfect Victory day celebration. They just need to restore the Obj. 704 or an ISU-152-2 to working condition and blow a few rounds through its front for the fireworks display.

Yes, we should destroy a valuable piece of history, "for fun."

[SdKfz252]

xthetenth, on May 12 2014 - 18:06, said:

If the T-35 is a dead end then the Maus is a broken road cut off by collapsed bridges.

Never said the Maus wasnt a dead end. Besides, it isnt collapsed bridges, it's raised bridges, and the roads are replaced by IS-3s.

[Comrade_Catastrophe]

At the risk of a MA, I'll caution to say that I'm a Marx-Leninist, and I believe this is absolutely stupid. This is nothing Soviet - it's purely Russian nationalism. The Maus was an incredible engineering proposition in its time and there's no reason it should be lost because of something as petty as nationalist sentiments. What is this museum thinking?

[SdKfz252]

Comrade_Catastrophe, on May 12 2014 - 18:27, said:

At the risk of a MA, I'll caution to say that I'm a Marx-Leninist, and I believe this is absolutely stupid. This is nothing Soviet - it's purely Russian nationalism. The Maus was an incredible engineering proposition in its time and there's no reason it should be lost because of something as petty as nationalist sentiments. What is this museum thinking?

Well technically, it isnt the museum's fault. It's funding is from the Russian government, so if they do something like that on Victory day, then they will face some serious consequences.

[xthetenth]

Watersnake32, on May 12 2014 - 18:24, said:

Yes, we should destroy a valuable piece of history, "for fun."

 

I too can't take a joke, which leaves me unclear on why I'm defending the Maus' value (the tank was a joke).

 

No all seriousness, the Maus is a very worthy piece of history if only because it's far easier to get people to realize what a hideous dysfunctional mess Nazi Germany was by pointing at that than by getting them to read The Wages of Destruction, a handsome 848 page tome by the respected Adam Tooze, which helped redefine the historiography of the Third Reich.

 

Shall I joke about how they should make a reference to the time they marched all the German PoWs through Red Square and then symbolically washed the streets by driving the Maus through (a day late because the thing broke down of course) and then symbolically rebuild the road because the fat thing ruined the streets instead?

[Meplat]

In the museum's defense, none of us know what projects they have currently pending and in process.

So Wargaming showing up to tell them to drop what they may be doing and restore the Maus, even if offering to throw some money at the project, is a bit much.

 

I've turned away customers or put them on a waiting list for similar, and I deal with much smaller military vehicle restorations

Edited by Meplat, May 13 2014 - 02:08.

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i think bovington should buy the maus and restore it, since it would be a better place for it to be, with their tank parades and exhibitions

[HowitzerBlitzer]

I'd comment there but I think outsiders can get my email.

[xthetenth]

Casual_Tanker, on May 12 2014 - 21:11, said:

i think bovington should buy the maus and restore it, since it would be a better place for it to be, with their tank parades and exhibitions

 

Parades. Maus. Pick one.

[Aanvalswagen]

Casual_Tanker, on May 13 2014 - 03:11, said:

i think bovington should buy the maus and restore it, since it would be a better place for it to be, with their tank parades and exhibitions

What would they parade it on? Bovington doesn't have an inexhaustible road budget, and the Maus would sink in the pithy English dirt.

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xthetenth, on May 12 2014 - 20:30, said:

 

Parades. Maus. Pick one.

Both, Option C.

[IMA_RANDOM_BAD_PLAYER_GG]

Their field is plenty fine outside of the museum.