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Aanvalswagen #41 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:34

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View PostCasual_Tanker, on May 13 2014 - 03:31, said:

Both, Option C.

View PostCasual_Tanker, on May 13 2014 - 03:32, said:

Their field is plenty fine outside of the museum.  

 

Which one of the 207 tons do you not understand?



IMA_RANDOM_BAD_PLAYER_GG #42 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:36

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its 188 tons.   I understand that.

Aanvalswagen #43 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:38

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View PostCasual_Tanker, on May 13 2014 - 03:36, said:

its 188 tons.   I understand that.

 

188 Tonnes, 207 tons, 185 Long Tons. But do you not truly grasp how immobile this thing is? Even if it was restored, it couldn't go anywhere.



IMA_RANDOM_BAD_PLAYER_GG #44 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:40

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Well, wouldn't that be the same for 10,000+ ton freight trains that go along tracks and rack up miles up hill and down hill quite effortlessly to be the same situation?   They could you know... build a road for it, in the same manner as there are tracks held up by cross ties.   Surely all they would need would be a ton of ballast (little rocks) to make that road to even the weight dispersion.   Which Im sure they can get a ton of.

Walter_Sobchak #45 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:43

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Good for Kubinka I say.  To all those saying that the Maus would be better off at a different museum, let me tell you something.  Every German tank housed at that museum was earned many times over by the blood and sacrifice of the Red Army.  They captured it, they can do with it as they please and none of us have much right to be critical.  Anyway, at least they put a roof over their captured tanks.  In the US we let our collection at Aberdeen Proving Grounds sit around for decades rusting in the open air.  For all I care the Maus can rust away to nothingness, a pathetic monument to the barbaric and idiotic regime that spawned it. 

Meplat #46 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:44

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View PostCasual_Tanker, on May 12 2014 - 18:40, said:

Well, wouldn't that be the same for 10,000+ ton freight trains that go along tracks and rack up miles up hill and down hill quite effortlessly to be the same situation?   They could you know... build a road for it, in the same manner as there are tracks held up by cross ties.


Wait... Above and beyond the sheer scope of literally rebuilding the damned thing, you expect a museum to construct a reinforced road, just to parade the thing around?

Something that was of dubious mobility the day it was made?

 

Are you high?



_Quetzal #47 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:46

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this is why russia cant have nice things.

they get a maus, and decide " we dont want the germans to look good because they were better engeneers"



RD170 #48 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:48

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View PostMr_Quetzal, on May 13 2014 - 03:46, said:

this is why russia cant have nice things.

they get a maus, and decide " we dont want the germans to look good because they were better engeneers"

 

I fail to see how the Maus indicates the superiority of German engineering.



Meplat #49 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:50

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View PostMr_Quetzal, on May 12 2014 - 18:46, said:

this is why russia cant have nice things.

they get a maus, and decide " we dont want the germans to look good because they were better engeneers"

That was a joke, right?



BeingBadNotBeingGood #50 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:53

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View PostMr_Quetzal, on May 12 2014 - 20:46, said:

 they were better engeneers"

theoretical newtonian physicists



_Quetzal #51 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:54

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also 

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  as the Museum is a public institution

 

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 The Museum will never prioritize the restoration of the German tank “Maus”, or any foreign tank to any of the Russian military anniversaries

 despite being a public museum, it still does what the government wants it to.

 



Aanvalswagen #52 Posted May 13 2014 - 02:59

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View PostMr_Quetzal, on May 13 2014 - 03:54, said:

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 despite being a public museum, it still does what the government wants it to.


A public institution that feels that the restoration of the T-35 takes higher priority than the restoration of the Maus. The government doesn't have a thing to do with it.

 

They own the Maus, they decide what to do with it. Just because you don't like their decision doesn't mean that they're being pressured by Putin.



Meplat #53 Posted May 13 2014 - 03:02

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View PostMr_Quetzal, on May 12 2014 - 18:54, said:

 

 

 despite being a public museum, it still does what the government wants it to.

 

"public" in Russia and "pubic" in the U.S. do not mean the same things.  The facility is located inside a military base.  That is not "public" in the way the NASM is.



Meplat #54 Posted May 13 2014 - 03:05

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View PostAanvalswagen, on May 12 2014 - 18:59, said:


A public institution that feels that the restoration of the T-35 takes higher priority than the restoration of the Maus. The government doesn't have a thing to do with it.

 

They own the Maus, they decide what to do with it. Just because you don't like their decision doesn't mean that they're being pressured by Putin.

Unless you want some useless chunk of failed boxhead nonsense fixed up. For reasons.

 

I'm betting 90% of the people pushing for it's restoration have never turned a wrench, let alone restored a complex machine in terrible condition.



Aanvalswagen #55 Posted May 13 2014 - 03:07

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View PostMeplat, on May 13 2014 - 04:05, said:

Unless you want some useless chunk of failed boxhead nonsense fixed up. For reasons.

 

I'm betting 90% of the people pushing for it's restoration have never turned a wrench, let alone restored a complex machine in terrible condition.


If the Maus was a tractor, even an Illinois farmer would throw it out. The thing is well beyond the point of no repair.



KrasnayaZvezda #56 Posted May 13 2014 - 03:24

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Kubinka is an active military facility ran by Russian MoD. It's rather a storage site for Russian Army that is partially open to the general public rather than a 'public museum'. Of course it does what Russian government wants.

 

All the directors of the museum were military personnel, ranks ranging from major to colonel. I heard that the guides are retired army veterans, too.



Meplat #57 Posted May 13 2014 - 03:35

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View PostAanvalswagen, on May 12 2014 - 19:07, said:


If the Maus was a tractor, even an Illinois farmer would throw it out. The thing is well beyond the point of no repair.

You're being a bit harsh.

 

I'm sure a thrifty farmer would find a use for Maus. As a chicken coop, for example.



KrasnayaZvezda #58 Posted May 13 2014 - 03:41

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View PostMeplat, on May 12 2014 - 22:35, said:

You're being a bit harsh.

 

I'm sure a thrifty farmer would find a use for Maus. As a chicken coop, for example.

 

Or selling it to a wehraboo for a good fortune and buy an actual, workable tractor.

 



Meplat #59 Posted May 13 2014 - 03:47

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View PostKrasnayaZvezda, on May 12 2014 - 19:41, said:

 

Or selling it to a wehraboo for a good fortune and buy an actual, workable tractor.

 

Always liked those, but still have a soft spot for the 548's..



Walter_Sobchak #60 Posted May 13 2014 - 04:24

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Best Tractor is M4 Tractor.

 







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