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Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: Snapshots: M60A2 Patton


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Content_WG #1 Posted Jun 03 2014 - 18:12

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The M60A2 Patton, capable of firing anti-tank missiles, is the focal point of this latest Snapshot.


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Vaultin #2 Posted Jun 03 2014 - 18:21

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Content_WG, why don't you play any battles?

 

Just curious, I'd really love to get your name mounted on my wall of names I've never gotten to kill..



stalkervision #3 Posted Jun 03 2014 - 18:34

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 The capability to fire missiles came out of a Russian invention for their tanks didn't it ? The Sheridan fired missiles also.

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NutrientibusMeaGallus #4 Posted Jun 03 2014 - 19:55

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 Is it possible the Starship name was based on the band Jefferson Starship? They formed from former Jefferson Airplane members in the 70's... Just a thought.

_SuaVe_ #5 Posted Jun 03 2014 - 19:59

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If you insult a Russian Tank like the how you way did on M60A2 you will have an outrage. 

Edited by _J_D_, Jun 04 2014 - 00:32.


BTed72 #6 Posted Jun 03 2014 - 20:05

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If anyone wants to hear some nifty music and the shillelagh missile here you go.

https://www.youtube....h?v=qn6YH_4nYEA

 



Deadeye31 #7 Posted Jun 03 2014 - 20:15

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Another very good video. Would love if you could do a video for the M60A1, either a snapshot or full walkaround like for the Chaffee. Would love to see the M60A1 added to the game, it's a very cool tank and would be awesome to drive around.

celtics23 #8 Posted Jun 03 2014 - 20:37

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Content_WG, getting positive rep? 

 


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Used to see these in the tank park at Katterbach (1-37AR, Abrams' old unit) when my dad was stationed there.  They looked cool when you're a 10-yr old.

 

The Shillelagh missile system was a cranky beast.  The electronics weren't quite up to the abuse they get in a tank.  The missile also had a minimum range of about 750m before it would pick up giudance.  This was a problem since the short-barreled 152mm wasn't accurate out that far, so you had a gap in which you couldn't effectively engage.  Firing the missile would also foul the electrical firing connectors for the shells.  Knew an A2 tanker that said, to get around that problem, they rolled with 3 tanks that would exclusively fire missiles and the other 2 would fire shells.  Otherwise the loader had to take a kitchen pan scrubber to the contacts after firing the missile. 

 

We never had a problem with the M85s.  Accurate as hell in the cupola mount.  Only problem is the ammo wasn't interchangeable with the M2HB (different links), so logistically it was a pain.



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View PostNutrientibusMeaGallus, on Jun 03 2014 - 14:55, said:

 Is it possible the Starship name was based on the band Jefferson Starship? They formed from former Jefferson Airplane members in the 70's... Just a thought.

 

The M60A2 deployed in the growing wake of the TV series Star Trek, which despite having been cancelled nearly four years before deployment of the M60A2, had already enriched the American lexicon with trendy new words and phrases associated with the show. Given the advanced [Space Age] instrumentation, dual-capable gun and Fire Control system of the M60A2, "Starship" was a natural moniker ...

 

The M60A2 and the M551 fired the same ammunition, and one of the guns was derived from the other, but they were not interchangeable between platforms.

 

At the time, Jefferson Airplane was still Jefferson Airplane ...



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View PostDeadeye31, on Jun 03 2014 - 15:15, said:

full walkaround like for the Chaffee. 

 

Ask and ye shall receive, Cheiftain did a 3 part video on the M24 Chaffee

 

https://www.youtube....ation_835399181



Walter_Sobchak #12 Posted Jun 03 2014 - 23:56

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People interested in the M60A2 might find this interesting.  It's a blog post I did a while back concerning some interested pages with data about potential alternate guns for the M60A2. 

 

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I was sorting through some old documents that a friend had given me and found a rather large stack of papers entitled "M60A1E2 Tank Characteristics and Description Book" from October 1971 put out by "U.S. Army Materiel Command Project Manager-M60 Tanks."  Like most technical manuals, it is not exactly the most exciting read.  But at the very back of the report, they have a section detailing various other guns that may be fit into the M60A1E2 (later called M60A2) with technical data and lists of what would be involved in the conversion.  I found this surprising, I had always assumed that the ill-fated M-60A2 had been specifically designed for the 152mm missile launcher/cannon hybrid.  I had no idea that other guns were ever considered for that turret.  The guns listed in the document are the XM150, which was the longer barreled version of the 152mm gun/launcher hybrid intended for the MBT-70, the M68 105mm gun that equipped the other versions of the M-60, the  120mm T123E6, a smooth bore cannon developed by the US but never put into production, and the British 120mm L11A2 cannon that was featured on Chieftain.  I thought this was worth sharing, I have uploaded the relevant pages of the document to internet archive.  Hopefully someone may find this information useful or at least interesting.

 


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View PostWalter_Sobchak, on Jun 03 2014 - 18:56, said:

People interested in the M60A2 might find this interesting.  It's a blog post I did a while back concerning some interested pages with data about potential alternate guns for the M60A2.

 

A whole lineage waiting for discovery ...

 

And ruined by a [edited]-poor choice of a Prize Tank ...



davarco #14 Posted Jun 04 2014 - 00:01

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Is that museum in California, where they display the tanks, i think I've been there before.

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View PostBlackhorse_Six, on Jun 04 2014 - 07:00, said:

 

A whole lineage waiting for discovery ...

 

And ruined by a poor choice of Prize Tank ...

 

Yup. WG making the M60 a reward tank. Most thoughtless and stupidest decision WG has ever made so far.



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View PostDeadeye31, on Jun 03 2014 - 12:15, said:

Another very good video. Would love if you could do a video for the M60A1, either a snapshot or full walkaround like for the Chaffee. Would love to see the M60A1 added to the game, it's a very cool tank and would be awesome to drive around.

I drove one around in real life, was a gunner on one as well. I liked the M60A3 better. 



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View Postbdougwrx, on Jun 03 2014 - 18:55, said:

 

Ask and ye shall receive, Cheiftain did a 3 part video on the M24 Chaffee

 

https://www.youtube....ation_835399181

 I know. I want one for the M60A1.



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View Postzloykrolik, on Jun 03 2014 - 22:09, said:

I drove one around in real life, was a gunner on one as well. I liked the M60A3 better. 

 

I think the A3 might be a little late for the game. But A1 fits right in to the scope of the game.

 

Adding A1 would make the player base very excited and all complaints about the CW 60 would instantly disappear. The CW guys would even get to keep their tank and have nothing to complain about. Not that they don't already complain about the current M48 and 60 since they're not OP like the soviet and German mediums those guys all drive.



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View PostContent_WG, on Jun 03 2014 - 13:12, said:

The M60A2 Patton, capable of firing anti-tank missiles, is the focal point of this latest Snapshot.
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I noticed a small error in the video.  The Chieftain says the vehicle was made by General Dynamics Land Systems.  The vehicle was built by Chrysler Defense, which was purchased by General Dynamics in 1982 and renamed General Dynamics Land Systems.  M60A2 was built quite a bit before this name change in 1982. 



The_Chieftain #20 Posted Jun 04 2014 - 05:15

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Fair catch. Wonder how I ballsed that one up?