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dance210 #81 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 01:05

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View Posttengle, on Jun 22 2014 - 16:19, said:

 

Just checking back Dance210...never heard anything.

 

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Sorry! I didn't set the Skirmish playoffs on Friday (well, not all of them) so didn't do the seeding.

 

Would you mind telling me what team/group you are in, to make it easier? I'm guessing you were !Baked!, but well, would appreciate the confirmation :)



tengle #82 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 02:56

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Yea...I was on team ! BAKED !

 

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BRTgaming #83 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 03:00

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We are in final round lost first set but are supposed to be playing for 3 - 4 but no special battles has popped why are we not playing for 3rd 4th or are we automatically placed

 



Feisl #84 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 03:32

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You have nothing to play for...

 

 

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3rd - 4th 1,000

 

 

 



RanKizama #85 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 11:48

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View PosttwitchtvCommanda0, on Jun 22 2014 - 16:15, said:

A system where skill level is factored in would be abused a lot. I know that many teams would throw games in order to get a better seed. The way it's currently structured, performing well is incentivized. Explain why you deserve an easier bracket to gold when other teams have to fight great teams?

 

If you want easier fights, go do the bravo playoffs, it's a cakewalk, but you get rewarded less.

 

I'm not asking for easy fights to make more gold. I simply believe there should be a better way to ensure that all teams are given a competitive chance given their performance ratings. On the flipside of your token, why should seeding benefit the Top 10% of teams just so they get easier matches and can progress for more gold? Again, I was never complaining, just voicing a curiousity at what I view to be an odd system.



SmellyBear #86 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 12:17

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When we will get our gold ? 

RanKizama #87 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 13:20

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View Postgfoxi, on Jun 23 2014 - 07:17, said:

When we will get our gold ? 

 

I think it took about a week last time.



Derm_ #88 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 16:31

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View PostRanKizama, on Jun 23 2014 - 12:48, said:

 

I'm not asking for easy fights to make more gold. I simply believe there should be a better way to ensure that all teams are given a competitive chance given their performance ratings. On the flipside of your token, why should seeding benefit the Top 10% of teams just so they get easier matches and can progress for more gold? Again, I was never complaining, just voicing a curiousity at what I view to be an odd system.

 

Please see: NFL playoff structure, NHL playoff structure, NBA playoff structure, etc etc.

All playoff formats are set this way.

 

Now, should there be a separate skirmish for teams that are more highly rate?  perhaps.

If there is, those teams should also be playing for a higher prize pool.

 

As it currently stands there are still plenty of top prizes to be had, and this is significantly better than the way skirmishes were run originally.


Edited by Derm_, Jun 23 2014 - 16:32.


RanKizama #89 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 18:49

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View PostDerm_, on Jun 23 2014 - 11:31, said:

Please see: NFL playoff structure, NHL playoff structure, NBA playoff structure, etc etc.

All playoff formats are set this way.

Yes but, as I stated earlier, those are spectator sports and focused more on crowd attraction for money revenue rather than fair competition. The system is designed so that the grand finale (Stanley Cup, Super Bowl, ect) will have two explosively competitive teams up against each other to draw a larger crowd and make for a longer game. If WG is using that for their international e-sports hoopla or whatever, then cool. I just can't help but feel that something this small, designed as an open-source tournament for everyone, has no use for such a system. 

 

View PostDerm_, on Jun 23 2014 - 11:31, said:

Now, should there be a separate skirmish for teams that are more highly rate?  perhaps.

If there is, those teams should also be playing for a higher prize pool.

Absolutely. If SIMP, HAVOK, BULLS, and other unicum teams are fighting it out in a higher bracket then their prizes should be larger. No argument there.
 

View PostDerm_, on Jun 23 2014 - 11:31, said:

As it currently stands there are still plenty of top prizes to be had, and this is significantly better than the way skirmishes were run originally.

Like I've said, I'm not complaining about being knocked out. We did well some matches, and we got bested. We still got a nice prize in our pocket as well. I simply feel that the seeding system has no real merit here. At least not when the the bracket is shared by an entire Top 50% grouping. I also have no idea how the skirmishes were originally run.

Also enjoying all the neg-reps for trying to provide some constructive feedback. Excellent.


Edited by RanKizama, Jun 23 2014 - 19:21.


twitchtvCommanda0 #90 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 19:34

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View PostRanKizama, on Jun 23 2014 - 10:49, said:

Also enjoying all the neg-reps for trying to provide some constructive feedback. Excellent.

It's because you come across as one of the complainers that these threads get every week about how you had to fight a team beyond your skill level. Take the opportunity to fight better teams to learn about how the game works and come back and win gold next week.

 

There is no way to create skill based matchups without massive abuses of the system and this is a much simpler way to do things without creating a complex league system similar to the WGLNA.

 

You will get no sympathy here unfortunately.



RanKizama #91 Posted Jun 23 2014 - 19:44

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View PosttwitchtvCommanda0, on Jun 23 2014 - 14:34, said:

It's because you come across as one of the complainers that these threads get every week about how you had to fight a team beyond your skill level. Take the opportunity to fight better teams to learn about how the game works and come back and win gold next week.

 

There is no way to create skill based matchups without massive abuses of the system and this is a much simpler way to do things without creating a complex league system similar to the WGLNA.

 

You will get no sympathy here unfortunately.


I started off by saying how great of a time I had and that I wasn't trying to complain, just offer a solution to help make it a better experience for everyone in the future. Even those in the lower brackets. Then again, I also believe in a skill-based MM and we see how well that's coming along. It seems odd that even when trying to offer constructive criticism, it's just interpreted as complaining. 


Edited by RanKizama, Jun 23 2014 - 20:16.


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View Postgfoxi, on Jun 23 2014 - 07:17, said:

When we will get our gold ? 

Gold Payments

  • Gold is credited to player accounts as quickly as possible.
  • Gold payments could take up to 7 days after the Skirmish has finished to be credited.
  • There may be a delay in crediting the gold if a player changes his/her name during or immediately after the Skirmish concludes.

 

check out the rules here man http://forum.worldof...86#entry7153886


Edited by TheTruePlaYer, Jun 23 2014 - 21:17.


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View PostRanKizama, on Jun 23 2014 - 19:49, said:

Yes but, as I stated earlier, those are spectator sports and focused more on crowd attraction for money revenue rather than fair competition. The system is designed so that the grand finale (Stanley Cup, Super Bowl, ect) will have two explosively competitive teams up against each other to draw a larger crowd and make for a longer game. If WG is using that for their international e-sports hoopla or whatever, then cool. I just can't help but feel that something this small, designed as an open-source tournament for everyone, has no use for such a system. 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but even little Johnny's little league playoffs are organized this way, and that's only a spectator sport if you're a blood relative, and a required to go because you're mom will chew you out if you aren't there to cheer on the little tyke

 



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View PostRanKizama, on Jun 23 2014 - 11:44, said:


I started off by saying how great of a time I had and that I wasn't trying to complain, just offer a solution to help make it a better experience for everyone in the future. Even those in the lower brackets. Then again, I also believe in a skill-based MM and we see how well that's coming along. It seems odd that even when trying to offer constructive criticism, it's just interpreted as complaining. 

So the final game shouldn't be the most important? That's what seeds are meant to do; increase the level of competition. Again, use the fights you have against better teams to hone your skills and perfect your strats.



bllade #95 Posted Jun 24 2014 - 03:00

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Hello Dance210

When will drop the gold of the group stage and playoffs?

Team Armagedon-RBO



tengle #96 Posted Jun 24 2014 - 07:27

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View Posttengle, on Jun 22 2014 - 20:56, said:

Yea...I was on team ! BAKED !

 

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Just following up Dance210...

 

Thanks for all you guys do!



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View PostRanKizama, on Jun 23 2014 - 11:44, said:


I started off by saying how great of a time I had and that I wasn't trying to complain, just offer a solution to help make it a better experience for everyone in the future. Even those in the lower brackets. Then again, I also believe in a skill-based MM and we see how well that's coming along. It seems odd that even when trying to offer constructive criticism, it's just interpreted as complaining. 


I have never seen a tournament that didn't use seeding. Chess even uses seeding and that is far from a Spectator sport. Just imagine if they didn't use seeding..... You would get groups that are stacked with 10% teams with a lonely 30% team stuck between them all. Sure every dog can have its day...... but 4 days in a row? The way it is now you get rewarded/penalized  for doing good/bad in the group stages just the way it should be.



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Unlimited Garbage Works did not receive gold for the group stage.

 

Received

 


Edited by a_Friendly, Jun 25 2014 - 17:45.


______Ricochet______ #99 Posted Jun 25 2014 - 04:19

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nvm, we got the gold

 


Edited by ShrekThe0gre, Jun 25 2014 - 15:37.


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View Postdance210, on Jun 22 2014 - 19:05, said:

 

Sorry! I didn't set the Skirmish playoffs on Friday (well, not all of them) so didn't do the seeding.

 

Would you mind telling me what team/group you are in, to make it easier? I'm guessing you were !Baked!, but well, would appreciate the confirmation :)

View Posttengle, on Jun 24 2014 - 01:27, said:

 

Just following up Dance210...

 

Thanks for all you guys do!

 

Just wanted to make sure this didnt get lost in the thread DANCE210...

 

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