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Millbarge #1 Posted May 06 2011 - 09:17

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Before you go critising mechanics I suggest to actually read up on 'the problems' as you see them.  The number of people who whinge about 'invisi tanks' without understanding the issue beggars belief.  Just becuase someone shot you without a red dot on your map does not mean its an invisitank bug.  It typically means you moved into a position where a camouflaged tank in a bush saw you and reported your position to their team mates.  Guess what, unless you get out from behind the rock/building your probably hiding behind, you'll continue to get shot until you move within the spotting/detection range you need to be at to spot them.  There's a game wiki that explains all this.  Read it.

If you're talking about tanks magically appearing in the middle of open terrain then its a known issue to do with the frequency of spot checks.  Its being fixed in the next patch as umpteen hundred other threads have mentioned.

Sometimes I think there should be a test on game mechanics that players have to take and pass before they're allowed to publically demonstrate their inability to read or comprehend.

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Thanks for proving my point regarding reading comprehension.  That must have been a lot of time you put into the closed beta from 18 Jan 11.  Get some time up cupcake.

If you've ever had anything to do with software development you'd know that patching schedules slip.  And as the developers have said on numerous occasions the spotting system is working exactly as it was designed to do.  They recognise however that the community doesn't like its inconsistencies and as such they are reworking it.  It's not broken, it simply doesn't meet customer expectations.  In regards to the timing of the patch and why it wasn't released prior to the transition from open beta to live, have you considered that they may have needed to release the game to get sufficient capital injection to continue software development?  Start-up cash isn't infinite and wages need to get paid.

In the meantime learn how the mechanics currently work, think about ways you can get around the issues with it and move on.  The patch will come when the patch arrives.  A few weeks additional delay isn't going to bring the world crashing to an end.

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View PostTrozOz, on May 06 2011 - 11:27, said:

Thanks for proving my point regarding reading comprehension.  That must have been a lot of time you put into the closed beta from 18 Jan 11.  Get some time up cupcake.

If you've ever had anything to do with software development you'd know that patching schedules slip.  And as the developers have said on numerous occasions the spotting system is working exactly as it was designed to do.  They recognise however that the community doesn't like its inconsistencies and as such they are reworking it.  It's not broken, it simply doesn't meet customer expectations.  In regards to the timing of the patch and why it wasn't released prior to the transition from open beta to live, have you considered that they may have needed to release the game to get sufficient capital injection to continue software development?  Start-up cash isn't infinite and wages need to get paid.

In the meantime learn how the mechanics currently work, think about ways you can get around the issues with it and move on.  The patch will come when the patch arrives.  A few weeks additional delay isn't going to bring the world crashing to an end.

You may be right, you may be wrong...The fact is that I (and many others) will consider of pumping cash into this game when the game has at least 60% pro vs cons. We don't care if devs have financial troubles or whatever, because this isn't a charity meeting. We are customers and we buy what we think that we desirve, this is business lad.
Talking about devs and the way they fix what they think ain't broken, I have a simple question: why they want to add the tier 9 arty when the current tiers 7-8 can take out with ease anything?...and it's one of many questions that overcomes my logic

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I admit there are some issues with the game right now, but really... if you don't like that, then none is forcing you to stay. I can personally enjoy this game without any problems and I've bought gold a lot of times too, but then there are people like you who constantly complain and complain, hoping that something will change. They won't all of sudden release the patch faster and unfinished just because you threathened to not pay 5$ to them. That's simply how it works. Pay for the game when you feel like it, but there's no need to make the millionth post about how you're not going to pay.

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That will cause a release to never a occur, if you wait for a perfect game, only to find no one will play it anyway.

Iterative develop as a methodology is getting more common these days with software.

Give users part of a product? Or wait another 5 years?

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Actually what the game is proposed as and what we are playing are two different things all together.

If you were a new guy to this game and had just found it while wandering the internet you would NOT know all the details of the game.

So here is the top 10 google search to prove a point.

My responses are in green you can see that most of the comments are promotions of the game that would lead an average guy looking for a tank combat game to believe that the game is complete, well done and offers realistic tank combat and gameplay.

Nothing here would indicate that product we have now which is incomplete and has various issues that need to be resolved.

I do not hate the game, but no one wants HALF of what is promoted or promised once you pay for it.

The on going issues are still ongoing after many months, shockingly almost a YEAR now!

We / I hope that WoT actually provides what they have been promoting all along.



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Out to take over the world? There's nothing better for conquering than our global map, divided into provinces and ready to be dominated by you and a team of friends! Invade hostile territories, ally with other groups to destroy your enemies, and employ trade and negotiation. ( Again the ref to the massive world domination of the game if you read the release of Clan Wars ( in the forums ) you will see that as part of a clan, your clan leader pulls all the strings not you so how emersive will this portion of the game be for the individual player? )
  
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From open fields of Eastern Europe and the narrow streets of small German towns to the burning deserts of North Africa and the mountains of Italy - the diversity of battlefield terrains offers not only an impressive spectacle but also the tactical challenge of a variety of battle conditions.( This elludes one to believe that there is a shit ton of maps and well there is not, Whoever the fook is making these maps needs a set of jumper cables attached to thier balls to get them moving faster, We need MANY more maps. Sorry that was a personal oppinion and not fact. The fact is that there is a very limited amount of maps and none of them would be considered worldly by any scale. If Wot thinks that Clan wars is going to be a slightly expanded version of Company Battles that would be a epic mistake on thier part. )




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Well said punisher, the website and advertizing for this game are very misleading.  There is not even a strategic map much less clan wars

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The strategic map stuff you showed would be very nice, but would be strange mixing up tank nationalities with a system like that.

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I can honestly say that I really like this game. I and many thousands of others seem to agree that it is fun. I would never know what a terrible game this is if i did not come to the forums.

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Just started playing the other day and have been having a blast. Didn't notice a problem with the spotting system. If I haven't seen an enemy shooting at me, I always assumed it's because tanks, when buttoned up, had terrible spotting abilities.

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View PostPunisher_1, on May 06 2011 - 16:14, said:

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WorldofTanks.com is your source for Army Tank Games, Battle Tank Games and Best Tank Games. Lol??? You have one game.
Lots of great points in this post.

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Couldn't have said it better myself, Punisher.
Great post.

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Man, I had no idea the game I've been enjoying so much sucked so bad.  Thank goodness there are forumites to tell me so.  I guess if it sucks so bad they must need more money... where do I go to buy gold?

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View PostDaekar, on May 06 2011 - 23:37, said:

Man, I had no idea the game I've been enjoying so much sucked so bad.  Thank goodness there are forumites to tell me so.  I guess if it sucks so bad they must need more money... where do I go to buy gold?


  I clicked the "Buy Gold" button myself twice since I bought the medium preorder package (approaching $170 so far on this beta). I played this game for free for a looong time (maybe too long)when it was in Beta. I decided they desereved my money to give them the kickstart they needed.

  IMHO game doesn't suck but don't they have clan wars on the Russian server? I thought they did (if I'm wrong oh well flame me kk). Do they have more map? Tanks? IDK but I just feel if they have all these cool new features w/ a cheaper price for gold than we do. I feel like America feels about Pakistan (wat u gonna do?) damned if u do bored if u don't.  :(

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View PostDaekar, on May 06 2011 - 23:37, said:

Man, I had no idea the game I've been enjoying so much sucked so bad.  Thank goodness there are forumites to tell me so.  I guess if it sucks so bad they must need more money... where do I go to buy gold?

Actually no one said it sucked I just pointed out that its not complete as promised, advertised and or guestimated release dates have come and gone.

For those that do not pay thats not an issue, for those that have paid it's a big issue.

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View PostTrozOz, on May 06 2011 - 09:22, said:

Before you go critising mechanics I suggest to actually read up on 'the problems' as you see them.  The number of people who whinge about 'invisi tanks' without understanding the issue beggars belief.  Just becuase someone shot you without a red dot on your map does not mean its an invisitank bug.  It typically means you moved into a position where a camouflaged tank in a bush saw you and reported your position to their team mates.  Guess what, unless you get out from behind the rock/building your probably hiding behind, you'll continue to get shot until you move within the spotting/detection range you need to be at to spot them.  There's a game wiki that explains all this.  Read it.

If you're talking about tanks magically appearing in the middle of open terrain then its a known issue to do with the frequency of spot checks.  Its being fixed in the next patch as umpteen hundred other threads have mentioned.

Sometimes I think there should be a test on game mechanics that players have to take and pass before they're allowed to publically demonstrate their inability to read or comprehend.

If a tank has a good enough camo bonus, it is no different than a tank hiding behind a bush.

Just keep that in mind. There is nothing wrong with the game, learn how to actually play it.

For someone who's a "Beta Tester" I find it quite sad you'd even post about this. There is nothing "broken" read how the game mechanics work.


EDIT as far as graphics go, like on my friends Gaming Desktop, the FPS is 90+, this games scenary is insane with everything as maxed as it can be. If you don't have a comp that can work Starcraft II on maxed settings, you wont notice the kind of graphics this game really has.

Also, as far as money etc.

It's not an issue the way the game is. I've forked almost $200 into this game as it is. And I have no issues what so ever to how the game is.

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I certainly hope folks calm down, can you name me any online MMO that started off without any problems?  Heck one of the biggest boys on the block mess up every darn time on any big game update, then pull off another mini update to fix the mistakes.  8)   I have been grinding away and noticed some matches you have an advantage at around T4 T5 highest I made it so far, but sometimes you get the shortest straw and have to actually think and use tactics to stay alive!
Hope all fixes come fast, I agree that should be number 1 priority but lets not start a hate campaign to incite a mass exodus from a great game that is still being fixed up.




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