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Harshe #81 Posted Aug 14 2010 - 02:00

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Yep, everything bad sad about this monstrosity is true. From a game play mechanic how is it possible for me to play when i only live through only 1 game in 10, catch on fire every 4-5 so its totally destroyed and not be able to repair myself? Even on premium a new tiger can not level by it self. I cant even play my fully upgraded hummel because i can lose more money than my shells cost unless i have a really good round or just a good round on premium. This game mechanic is wrong on so many levels it makes no sense to me at all. if it wasn't for my wespe i would of had to start a from a newbie tank to get another money maker. As it stands i have play my tiger, die horribly to anything and i mean anything.... log on my wespe and play 1-2 round to pay for my tiger. Rinse and repeat. So long story short i don't want to play my wespe when i have a awesome Hummel and what i thought was going to be my first heavy tank but turned out to be the grown up version of the PZ IV but now with subsystem damage and fire problems. O god why did i sell my 3601.... here is an idea to fix this tho! Lets make people play a bullshit amount of games to finally get the tanks they want and then make it impossible for them to play it due to upkeep and force them to play middle tier tanks they have played 500 games with for nothing more than the cash..... o wait that's not a fix at all... sorry!

Trebs #82 Posted Aug 14 2010 - 12:23

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Convi #83 Posted Aug 14 2010 - 12:44

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Haha, great picture trebs :-)

Sakuzhi #84 Posted Aug 14 2010 - 16:27

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I think the Russian's where just putting a ton of targets on the Tank to make their Crews feel like they had a chance >.>


IF you think getting shot at by everyone is bad in the Tiger....You are target numbero uno in the King Tiger, granted....you actually bounce things.

That said, the issues of the tiger have been outlined quite a bit already.

WMD #85 Posted Aug 15 2010 - 04:18

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Its not the stats but rather penetration mechanics

With the 88/L71

In one game I happy take apart a PZIV frontal armor with two shots
The next game I rear shot a PIII/IV three times and its still moving with 8% health.
Next I happy tear through a KV1, Jadpanther, T34. T34/85 and having the time of my life
Next game I get four in a row bounces off the front, side and rear of a TK3001P

WMD #86 Posted Aug 15 2010 - 04:25

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View PostSakuzhi, on Aug 14 2010 - 16:27, said:

I think the Russian's where just putting a ton of targets on the Tank to make their Crews feel like they had a chance >.>

Must be the IS122 chart that they gave to the T34 crews along with lots of Vodka  :lol:
Guys remember Tiger came out in 42 and was discontinued in 44. It was formidable when it first came out but as war technology advanced it became increasing vunlrenable.

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DigitalPsycho #87 Posted Aug 15 2010 - 15:42

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WMD a nice schema, but ceap in mind ther is no IS-2 in the game  ;)
and the IS-2 cam 1944 on the battelfield and it got killed from 75-mm-Kanonen from the  StuG III and Panzerkampfwagen IV also from 7,5-cm-PaK 40, beacuse of the wrong angel at the front armor of 18 and a "ausfahrbare Sichtluke" ( whats the english word for that  :unsure: ) with an angel of 60 and only the new IS-2 Modell with 30 angel were better than a stug and Panzerkampfwagen IV.
And in an Ambush a Panzerkampfwagen IV coud kill a IS-2 Modell from the side and back.
The IS-2 only were produced in 44 and there the germans already had the Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger II.

Range were a Kingtiger coud kill the other tank
Zielpanzer______Sherman_________Cromwell________Churchill_______T 34-85__________JS 2
Kanonenblende___2600 m__________3500+ m ________3500+ m ________2800 m _______ 1800 m
Turm front______3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m _______2300 m
Wanne_front_____3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500 m _________2600 m_________2600 m
Turm_collateral_3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m________3400 m
Wanne seitlich__3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m _______3500+ m
Turm_back_______3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m _______1800 m
Wanne back______3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m ________3500+ m _______2500 m

and yes i know my english sucks and that is extremly off topic  :P
Edit: I don't know why but my grifk wend rong so i hade to do al those ___  :Smile_harp:
and a nice site with infos about the Tiger: http://www.fprado.co...tiger1-04.htm  :Smile_honoring:

Harshe #88 Posted Aug 18 2010 - 02:44

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Stopped playing my tiger.... Catching on fire twice in two rounds on first hits is enough. Playing this tank is not worth the bullshit knowing everything at any point will be wiped. Its been tested as much as i can stand to play it. If they added a option in game that would allow me to pay a certain amount of money to completely skip tanks i would for the tiger. I would easily pay 50 bucks alone to not play this tank in its current form. How this past internal testing is beyond me. So here are some stats, i know i am not the best player but numbers don't lie.

Stats

Pz iv- 292 battles- 114 destroyed- survived 14%.... the second worst tank iv used and its a close tie for first.
3061- 216 battles- 242 destroyed- Survived 26%
Tiger 1- 101 battles- 70 destroyed- survived 26% (laughable for heavy i know) i would say 25-30 of the battles i was caught on fire, 50 of the rounds i was stuck with some sort of system damage in the first shot if not second and in 80 games i was stuck with system failure at some point unless i got totally raped and did not have time to register the failures... And i started this tank with upgraded engine/radio and 88 from my 3601.

Anyways going for a TD and may resume playing my tiger when and if they fix it in the patch. Wtb hotfixes??? :)

NefariousK #89 Posted Aug 18 2010 - 07:09

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View PostNarfi, on Jul 31 2010 - 05:58, said:

Tiger is just horrible when it comes to subsystem dmg. Not only against HE.

The Tank would be fine, but as soon as something is shooting u, u can expect to lose a very important module in the first 1-3 shoots (ammo rack in 90% of the games), and this is what makes this tank so horrible to play.
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This goes for nearly every tank I've played in the big-boy games.  The first shot nearly always damages my track or engine which is especially felt by the big slow heavies like your Tiger.  I'm surprised if I don't receive a critical on the first hit, which is rare.  I suspect that the Gunner crew rating contributes too much bonus to the chance of scoring criticals.  It needs to be toned down some unless they planned on every shot to crit or even multi-crit.

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View Postprax, on Aug 05 2010 - 20:51, said:

Got a question here. Did anyone of you Tiger drivers tried the "Tiger Trick?" aka "Keilausrichtung"? I've read that it became nearly invulnerable in this state. Many German Tiger Crews were doing it.
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I have to mention that most Tiger Crew's behaved like the TDs in WoT. They weren't driving around like mad and used it more like a mobile AntiTank weapon or Bunker because it wasn't that mobile actually.

Did anyone try this out if it works in WoT?

I don't drive a Tiger but I do this in a KV all the time, it seems to help, I bounce shells from Tigers (sometimes) B). It helps the KV has the same front/side armor, I don't know if the Tiger does, but I believe it still provides a net benefit regardless. Whenever my shots bounced off a tiger it's usually when they were doing this (at least as far as I can remember.)

Although it seems 95% of them are perfectly content to stay at a direct-approach or side on angle to me. You NEED to keep opponents from having a perpendicular shot angle to you or you WILL die. Not saying the Tiger isn't broken but use your noggin and you'll get farther.

PanzerKnacker #91 Posted Aug 19 2010 - 18:20

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Erm, isn't the front armor of the turret on the Tiger supposed to be 110mm and not 100mm??

Kawdzo #92 Posted Aug 19 2010 - 18:40

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It seems like everytime i get shot in my tiger 1 i loose some sort of system or crew member. Unbearably hard to play when its like that.

Kruppstahlterminator #93 Posted Aug 22 2010 - 11:53

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I bought the Tiger I yeserday and drived it one time, and thought: "Oh damn...", because it was so slow and had no fire power.
So i drived my VK3601H to geht the money for the best gun, because i thought, then the Tiger would be the beast like i saw it since i play the game.

But the Tiger somehow seams to be underpowered.
A T-34 destroyed me with one shot! Fire, everything destroyed --> Tank boomed (and before that he had 100%...)
Now i played about 10 times with the Tiger, always hopping, that everything will get better. But: "The tank is on fire!! Put it out quickly" --> 100% --> Boom 0%
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So i don't have the chance to level up my crew for firefighttraining or to earn Money for the CO2-extra. I now haven't got any money to repair the tank, because the repaircosts are always double as high as the money i earn.

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And i'm sorry if there is already such a topic, i searched for "Tiger" with no usefull results.

NordicGR #94 Posted Aug 22 2010 - 12:13

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There is only one action u can make successfully with a tiger....


Sell it back.... :Smile_harp:

(at least thats what i did)....

But Dont forget its beta....

LanCake #95 Posted Aug 22 2010 - 12:14

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i thought that the KV was pure sh*t. But after 150 battles i actually started to like it...I knew what it weakpoints were and also the goodpoints. I had problems with tiger too, Flames were a big problem :/ A tip for ya is to load less shells, you don't use them all and so yuo have less chance to go up in flames. also, don't rush in with it. Stay on the background. Snipe them a bit. But please don't use it as a mauss...Thinking that it is a moving bunker. It can be destroyed by tier 5+ tanks. (and i don't believe that a T 34 blew you up in 1 shot, you were probely weaken a lot and if he hitted you in the back armor...wich he shouldn't be able to if you were on the background...then you probely got shot in the engine and he dealed a final blow to ya.)
Just get used to it, use new tactics, load less shells and then you will enjoy it.

cDa #96 Posted Aug 22 2010 - 12:16

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yep just sold mine aswell, sei stock tiger cant even be on positive zero its always loosing

edit going back to T34-85

Bison #97 Posted Aug 22 2010 - 12:22

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I have used the Tiger in over 575 Battles and my crew is at 110%/93%. You have to learn the tactics of using a heavy. I've also have the Tiger II and I have used that in 125 battles with a crew at 106%/53%. Crew was from another tank. But I think the Tigers work very good. The Tiger I is just a tier 7 tank. Both Tigers are fully upgraded.

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if i would have enough free xp i'd love to pass through tiger 1 to get to 2 :)

Elenar #99 Posted Aug 22 2010 - 12:33

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It takes a lot of time to get used to the Tiger (and heavy tank) playstyle when you're coming from a VK3601. I felt that the Tiger was crap at first too, but you have to just slow down and let the mediums lead the way. Always use buildings for cover as you're an arty magnet. You really shouldn't be alone ever because even a good Tiger alone can be killed by 2 medium tanks working together.

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View PostLanCake, on Aug 22 2010 - 12:14, said:

i thought that the KV was pure sh*t. But after 150 battles i actually started to like it...I knew what it weakpoints were and also the goodpoints. I had problems with tiger too, Flames were a big problem :/ A tip for ya is to load less shells, you don't use them all and so yuo have less chance to go up in flames. also, don't rush in with it. Stay on the background. Snipe them a bit. But please don't use it as a mauss...Thinking that it is a moving bunker. It can be destroyed by tier 5+ tanks. (and i don't believe that a T 34 blew you up in 1 shot, you were probely weaken a lot and if he hitted you in the back armor...wich he shouldn't be able to if you were on the background...then you probely got shot in the engine and he dealed a final blow to ya.)
Just get used to it, use new tactics, load less shells and then you will enjoy it.
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The tiger tank requires tactic to use, just like any heavy tank. And every diffrent Heavy tank has a diffrent tactic

As the tiger, get the best gun, upgrade it, and used it defensivly behind your own forces
it would own then




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