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Crusnik__414 #1 Posted May 14 2011 - 05:40

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I took the wrong f***ing tree for the 3rd time, I took the tree that ends in a panther 2. I've made a tree mistake two times before so I dont want to switch for the 3rd time. Is this tree any good for company battles? will I get any mediums that will be able to destroy heavies? Will I have the kind of tank companies want?

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the panther 2 has a 105 sniper cannon. it will soon turn into the E50. in terms of fire power it has decent pen  hits tier 8s in the front with out trouble and teir 9s if aimed correctly.

Main point is thats it has laser point accuracy

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Every tank fulfill a role in this game.  The Panther 2 is the ultimate in sniper tank.  Fast firing, accurate and good damage and pen.  So have fun going up the German med line, quite a lot of good tanks in there.

Crusnik__414 #4 Posted May 14 2011 - 05:54

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Thanks all.
So in terms of company battles, will it be of value?

1N54N3 #5 Posted May 14 2011 - 05:59

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Every class of tank has their value if played properly. Mediums are necessary to escort heavier tanks who do not have an easy time at defending themselves against fast tanks. The t54, pershing and Panther 2 are all good tanks.

jasta07 #6 Posted May 14 2011 - 06:01

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There's a reason every nation stopped designing Heavy tanks shortly after WWII.

Mediums are awesome tanks, kinda the best of everything IMO. What they lack in survivability and hitting power they more than make up in versatility and strategy. Heavy tanks are nice but you can really run rings around them in the better medium tanks and really use the map to your favor.

Having said that there are some lackluster mediums. The Panther and Panther II really are a bit gimped at the moment but that's why they're getting patched.

Crusnik__414 #7 Posted May 14 2011 - 06:03

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View Post1N54N3, on May 14 2011 - 05:59, said:

Every class of tank has their value if played properly. Mediums are necessary to escort heavier tanks who do not have an easy time at defending themselves against fast tanks. The t54, pershing and Panther 2 are all good tanks.

the problem with that is most companies are comprised of mainly Heavies, SPG and TD

DemonicSpoon #8 Posted May 14 2011 - 06:29

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Right now, they are not useful in company battles...I wouldn't take anything to a company battle, personally, other than top tier heavy tanks and SPGs...and maybe an Object 704 or two. Maybe some tier 9 mediums, but they only go up to tier IX when you could just have a tier X heavy instead.

Company battles right now are poorly designed; there is no matchmaking other than "Take random company A, throw it against random company B". In normal battles this is dealt with by capping SPGs and making heavies worth more by the matchmaker.

Frankly, I wouldn't bother with company battles until this is changes. In normal battles, however, mediums are awesome.

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View PostCrusnik__414, on May 14 2011 - 06:03, said:

the problem with that is most companies are comprised of mainly Heavies, SPG and TD

What 'most companies' are you speaking of?   Didn't think there was much company battles going on yet.

DemonicSpoon #10 Posted May 14 2011 - 06:44

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What 'most companies' are you speaking of? Didn't think there was much company battles going on yet.

There aren't that many, because there aren't many top tier tanks around now. Back in the beta there were plenty of company battles...they were exclusively IS-7s and Object 212s.

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View PostDemonicSpoon, on May 14 2011 - 06:44, said:

There aren't that many, because there aren't many top tier tanks around now. Back in the beta there were plenty of company battles...they were exclusively IS-7s and Object 212s.


Ok, thanks.   I would think that a balanced team would make more sense.   Well I'll just have to wait and see =)

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I suggest the Soviet medium tree. It starts getting fun after the T-34 and if you don't have fun with it, then you'll definately have fun with the T-43 and further... I'm personally having fun so far, this tank while stock is a beast! And they are capable of taking down heavies, too (thought taking down higher tier or same tier heavy tank with stock Soviet medium is either hard or impossible).

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You don't want to switch a third time? So you're asking if the german medium line is good? Yes, it's very good, IF you can handle their playstyle. If you can't, then you're just wasting time. But this goes for every line.

Hunt3rj2 #14 Posted May 15 2011 - 01:27

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If you want something fast in a straight line but not exactly an apex-devouring F1 car, a sniper cannon with one of the best alpha strike damage, and accuracy, but lowest damage over time, with some armor that falls between "penetrated by anything you'll ever meet" and "enough to cause bawwing on forums", then the German endgame med should be fine.

The Russian medium tank is for dominating the 0-200 meter range, Germans are for the 400m+ shots, and American tanks are somewhere in between. Just keep in mind that with the current maps, view distances, and spotting system the Germans are a bit disadvantaged, but 6.4 should help a bit.

The Panther II right now is paper for armor for everything but extremely long range hits, but it isn't as bad as the American mediums. The E-50 should be a lot better though.

The VK3002DB is probably the best tier 7 in the game. I played both the T-43 and the VK3002DB, and the VK3002DB, I felt, was definitely a lot more effective and was something new. The T-43 is just a T-34/85 with some mods and possibly some more armor, and more hp. Not much to talk about until the T-44. The Panther holds the distinction for being the only med in it's tier that has a gun upgrade that is far and away better than the top gun of the last tier. The T-44 gets a gun with far less damage over time, less accuracy, and same penetration as it's "top" possible gun, the T23 doesn't get an upgraded gun at all, and the Panther gets an 88mm L/71 which makes it a sniping monster of a tank, but a liability fighting against other mediums.

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Ok, thanks. I would think that a balanced team would make more sense. Well I'll just have to wait and see =)
During the very first "Kill the Mods" contest my clan went in with everything from tier 4 to tier 9 tanks, the teams we mostly ran up against were teams of 9 tier 10 tanks.  Fast forward to now, my clan is doing company battles and we are running into teams of, some, tier 10 tanks with a sprinkling of lower tier stuff.  I think that as the game moves farther on, and mores players reach tier 10 stuff, you will start to see a return to teams of 9 tier 10 tanks.


On a different note how do you post a quote that has the players name in the part that says "Quote"?  Thanks in advance.

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View PostDirtyherby, on May 15 2011 - 16:46, said:

During the very first "Kill the Mods" contest my clan went in with everything from tier 4 to tier 9 tanks, the teams we mostly ran up against were teams of 9 tier 10 tanks.  Fast forward to now, my clan is doing company battles and we are running into teams of, some, tier 10 tanks with a sprinkling of lower tier stuff.  I think that as the game moves farther on, and mores players reach tier 10 stuff, you will start to see a return to teams of 9 tier 10 tanks.


On a different note how do you post a quote that has the players name in the part that says "Quote"?  Thanks in advance.

hit the reply button, or if you want more than one person quoted, hit the other reply button, it's like multireply or something

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Due to the tier limit, tanks with guns that hit above their tier are highly valued, as well as mobility, and protection is valued only if it is an extreme strength.

Namely, for firepower purposes you mainly see (in company battles)
SPG
T30
Object 704
Jagdtiger (not so much but they are seen)
(Pershing)

For Mobility purposes
T-54
IS-7

For Protection purposes, only the Maus is a real viable candidate. Perhaps the T32, but that is pushing it quite a bit.

As for medium tanks, only tier 9 mediums will likely see Company play at higher levels, and their speed and firepower make them quite an asset. Because they all have strong guns, high mobility, and high vision range, they can effectively fill either the firepower or mobility role very well. Panther II has a very strong gun and is also fairly mobile in the sense that it can go from one point to another very quickly, is an asset in company battles because it can quickly shore up a weakening flank. T-54s are often used as scouts and to probe enemy positions, as well as to break through a weak point and attempt an attack on the enemy SPG. Pershing can do either, but not as proficiently since it is not as specialized as either.

Each company would (or should) gladly take a Panther II. Being tier 9, yet packing a gun that rivals tier 10 tanks is valuable because in terms of offense it frees up one tier slot for the team. In company battles, its not so much the tank you are driving but your skill level. Get your name known as a fearsome Panther II driver and no one will reject you : )

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View PostCornell29th, on May 15 2011 - 17:50, said:

hit the reply button, or if you want more than one person quoted, hit the other reply button, it's like multireply or something
Thanks Cornell   :Smile_honoring:




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