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T_om #1 Posted May 18 2011 - 00:26

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I like arty best and am working my way up through the tiers slowly.  However, seeing how some "team" members scout is pathetic.  I don't want to just sit and bitch about it, so wanted to start up a fast scout tank tier.  That way when taking a break from arty I could turn scout and play it the way I would want it played.

I got a ton of very helpful suggestions from my newbie arty thread and was hoping for the same now.

Thanks in advance.

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_Dia_ #2 Posted May 18 2011 - 00:28

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One heck of a good scout tank is the Leopard. Tier 4 German light tank. 68 km/h top speed, 50mm gun, and excellent maneuverability at high speeds, it's insane.

Basically a light tank with medium tank armor and a smaller gun.

It leads to the VK 2801 which will be released soon.

thetank19 #3 Posted May 18 2011 - 00:33

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View PostDiastant, on May 18 2011 - 00:28, said:

One heck of a good scout tank is the Leopard. Tier 4 German light tank. 68 km/h top speed, 50mm gun, and excellent maneuverability at high speeds, it's insane.

Basically a light tank with medium tank armor and a smaller gun.

It leads to the VK 2801 which will be released soon.

I have to agree. I'm also an arty yet I've found Leopard players are some of the best scouts.

deevus #4 Posted May 18 2011 - 00:39

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View Postthetank19, on May 18 2011 - 00:33, said:

I have to agree. I'm also an arty yet I've found Leopard players are some of the best scouts.

This would be because the Leopard is currently a dead end tree and only serious scouters grind for a tank that doesn't unlock any more tanks (currently).

I love my Leopard. Nothing more satisfying than dodging a tonne of shots that will kill you in one shot and then taking out enemy arty.

KPEMEHb #5 Posted May 18 2011 - 00:44

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I've had a lot more luck with M5 Stuart and Pz III than with Leopard, so you might consider those. At the lower tiers Luchs is excellent, t2 light is very good but costs 750 gold. So if you want the fastest to grind good scout it is probably Luchs. If you have plenty of gold and want to spend it - T2 Light is very fast to get.

T_om #6 Posted May 18 2011 - 19:01

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Thanks for the advice guys.

Tom

Watch #7 Posted May 18 2011 - 19:22

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I was told the the USSR A-20 was a great little scout. Everyone was wrong, this tank has such poor visibility, I am sorry I bought it. It does however have the advantage of the fastest on paper top speed of 70+/kph; How you will ever get it up there is beyond me. I am currently grinding out a Leopard and seeing were it takes me. In my grind up the USSR tanks to the A-20 I came accross the BT-7 tier 3 tank; This tank was insanely fun, a side from its fault of lacking the ability to see the end of its own cannon. You can run around the enemy flanks and scout on the run by doing drive bys. The BT-7 has a huge acceleration curve and it easily attains 65kph. However, turning in the BT-7 or the A-20 is highly unrecommended. :(

Penty #8 Posted May 18 2011 - 19:35

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What level your driver is at makes a big difference on how well you can scout. With a high level driver you can turn without loosing much speed.

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View PostPenty, on May 18 2011 - 19:35, said:

What level your driver is at makes a big difference on how well you can scout. With a high level driver you can turn without loosing much speed.

A driver of above 80% should not have this problem, I have deemed the BT-7 and A-20 "straight line rockets". When top speed is achieved nothing can catch them on their tier.

SnakeDoctorLSG #10 Posted May 18 2011 - 20:56

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I use the M5 stuart and M7...actually like the M7 best because its faster.  But the M5 is more agile it can turn quicker and all that.  I usually wont stop and when I get to their arty's i do circles and shoot.  couple of reasons for that.  As someone with arty(m41) I want to take out their arty but stay away for our arty.  when I play in platoon they usually go after others knowing i will take out their arty.  I want to try the leopard

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I have trained up through the Russian line only, so no clue on the other scouts, but I now love to go back and play the BT-2.  IT can own the field as well as scout in some of the lower tier matches :).

kodern #12 Posted May 19 2011 - 14:19

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A-20 is pretty good too but not as good as the leopard though.

Krakti #13 Posted May 21 2011 - 19:26

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A-20's biggest problem was getting tracked. That's been fixed in the patch so it's not as easy to track someone, so the A-20 might be a good contender now. I hated grinding through it, sure its fast but its armor sucks and leo's always do it better. Watched a leo get tracked at the enemy base, he took 5 T1 heavy shots(yea a T1 but still, it hurts), bounced a few SU-85 shots, and took about 2 122mm KV mini-derp shots be4 it went down. For a light tank thats crazy and I have yet to see an A-20 take that much punishment.

Mabuchi #14 Posted May 21 2011 - 22:21

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Iam really impressed with the PZ38NA. This Tank is tiny! it researches into a solid German medium line, It turns pretty good, decent top end speed at about 58-61 kms, and my tank has the max 500 view range when stationary, and 420 while moving. I have it outfitted with camo netting, Binoculars and the penetration protection, and it still has good top end speed.

willyTank #15 Posted May 22 2011 - 10:55

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They should add a new class of reconn vehicles, similar to what you see in the old school hex based war games.

bulldog1986 #16 Posted May 22 2011 - 11:54

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A32, T2 Light premium, Leopard, Luchs, and A20 are all good scouts

mdq636 #17 Posted May 23 2011 - 21:02

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View PostwillyTank, on May 22 2011 - 10:55, said:

They should add a new class of reconn vehicles, similar to what you see in the old school hex based war games.
:Smile_great:

I have to agree on this one buddy. A "scout" line of tanks would be nice to see

HerrFlex #18 Posted May 23 2011 - 21:15

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You can't go wrong with german tanks of Tier 4, PzIII, Leopard and Pz38NA are all fast, nimble and all have the 5cm gun that can penetrate pretty much every tank of it's own tier and below. The PzIII even comes with the optional 7,5cm gun that is generally good for throwing Explosives at the guy at the other end of your barrel, though not so much on the move from anywhere beyond 50 meters or so.


Also, the M2 Light and T2 Light are good scouts, i would also say the BT-7 and BT-2 are good, but their turn rate is just hidious on the move and are best left in the store after you grind through them, same goes for the A-20.

pekiti #19 Posted May 23 2011 - 21:36

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When you look for a good scout vehicle, you need to consider three things: view range, radio range, and maneuverability.

View range = being able to see the bad guys quicker
Radio range = being able to give that spot report to your own team (esp the artillery)
Maneuverability = being able to hustle through enemy lines, plus getting to a good spotting location before anyone knows you're there

The Russian vehicles tend to have better top speed, but worse handling in a turn.
The T2 (premium) light tank for the USA is incredibly fast and agile, but has poor radio range.
The German vehicles overall tend to be better at 'pure' scouting, as some of them were actually designed for that role (as part of the German 'lightning warfare' strategy, which required fast scouts). The Luchs and Leopard are very good at what they do.

Surprisingly, the SU85B (Russian tank destroyer) makes a pretty good scout and it carries a decent weapon along with good view, good radio, and camo bonus.

Speed, in and of itself, does little for a true scout. If you are having to twist and turn to dodge enemy fire, you've done it wrong, and will likely pay the price in short order. The best use for your speed is to get somewhere the enemy doesn't realize you are, and stay hidden while exposing the enemy to your own team via radio. In higher tier matches, the TDs on the team tend to be the ones who spot targets early and report them for artillery. Stealth is the best tool for a scout, not speed.

The rest of your team aim their guns to kill the enemy; you aim the rest of your team to kill the enemy.

TheRonmasteh #20 Posted May 24 2011 - 03:34

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On small-mid games, Tier 4 Light tanks do its job very well.

The "fastest" scout in game are the A-20 (And I think) the M5 (Its the M5 Stuart right?). Both have max speed of 72 km/h.

However, the most agile one its the Leopard. 68 km/h. 4 km/h slower than the A-20 but when turning YOU COULD GO AT 40 km/h. Hard turns (depends) guarantees a speed no lower than 36. I drove one.

On the other side of the world, the A-20 and M5 try to do the same and fail epicly. They loose A LOT of speed when turning.




With the biggest tiers you will get dropped into, you may feel the T4 Lights will not live longer than 10 seconds (If you suicide scout). So a T8-T9 Medium tank could fair better. Until well, Tier 5 light tanks gets released.




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