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selcooper #1 Posted May 18 2011 - 16:09

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First off I am running a T-43 with upgraded tracks, turret and 100mm gun

Before the patch even on a bad run I would make some credits about 2k, Now after the patch I seem to be losing credits on almost every game in the tune of 3-5k and that is not including ammo purchase.


Since the update I have had to sell a tank so that I could keep playing, I am finding that I am not penetrating armour, and defiantly not getting as many kills as I did before.  Has something been done with the T-43, or the 100mm gun.  Or is it just that with everyone running these new tanks that it seems that they all have now, I am at the low end of the list in the matchmaker and therefore getting plunked off in one shot.


Concerned about this since it makes me want to go get a lower tank. and just play there


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amazingronaldo #2 Posted May 18 2011 - 16:22

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Well, for one I keep a couple tier 5 tanks for fun and making money. During beta I found around tier 7 that I either made a little or no money so I would run my T-34 to make some money.

Last night I ran my T-44 and was making some money even in losses where I got killed. Only one battle I lost money because I got killed early. I ran my elite T-43 and made money with it too, though only ran it like twice. So I can't really say we are making less or more than before. Maybe you just had bad matchups last night and did little damage because you faced tougher tanks? I don't see any changes to the T-43 or T-44 in the patch notes. They did reduce the turret armor on the T34-85 so that is the only one in that line that I see that was changed.

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its not just him me and all my friends and ppl in my clan are having problems with the same problem and idk what is going on with it. it was never like this before and now it is. i use to get anuff credits to be able to buy my ammo and fix my tank and still have some left over. the dev team really needs to look into this prob or thay are going to start loseing  ppl because of not being abble to play anymore with there tanks i sold all my tanks and i dont got any money at all because of the fact that ammo and fixing the tank is sucking it dry.

GeneralGeorge #4 Posted May 18 2011 - 19:38

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I'm too losing credits left and right. Something is serious wrong with this patch.

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View PostGeneralGeorge, on May 18 2011 - 19:38, said:

I'm too losing credits left and right. Something is serious wrong with this patch.

It's not just T7 either. In my KV-3 pre-patch, I routinely earned 20-40k credits in wins, and 10-15k in losses. I just got out of a game that we won, I took no damage, and had two kills and about 20 cap points, and I got 14,856 credits for that. Minus 3,075 for ammo, and I'm lucky I didn't take damage or I would have have almost no profit from a VICTORY!

EDIT: Is it possible that it's not adding the 50% premium bonus to credits for some reason?

selcooper #6 Posted May 19 2011 - 04:18

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View PostTheGuardian050, on May 19 2011 - 01:19, said:

It's not just T7 either. In my KV-3 pre-patch, I routinely earned 20-40k credits in wins, and 10-15k in losses. I just got out of a game that we won, I took no damage, and had two kills and about 20 cap points, and I got 14,856 credits for that. Minus 3,075 for ammo, and I'm lucky I didn't take damage or I would have have almost no profit from a VICTORY!

EDIT: Is it possible that it's not adding the 50% premium bonus to credits for some reason?


I do not know but the thing is I do not have a premium account nor will I get one I do not have the disposable income to do it.  Though I do have some time too play and if I have to run a t-34 where I still make 15k per game 10k on a loosing game then I will repair for a max out T-34 is 3k tops plus ammo so I still make alot of credits to repair and eventually buy the higher tanks


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Seems to be getting worse. Just had a game in my KV-3, I damaged a KV and a Ferdi, and only earned 5700 credits! This was a T8 game.

Repairs were 4900 and over 13000 for ammo! Since when is Tier 6 a moneyloser especially on Premium??

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View PostTheGuardian050, on May 20 2011 - 04:05, said:

Seems to be getting worse. Just had a game in my KV-3, I damaged a KV and a Ferdi, and only earned 5700 credits! This was a T8 game.

Repairs were 4900 and over 13000 for ammo! Since when is Tier 6 a moneyloser especially on Premium??


here I though it was getting better did the same amount of damage as last night and earned 7k more and that was a loss

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Same here I have a premium account. Using IS-3 on a really good game i barely break 20k, 3-4 kills damage everywhere.  On a bad game but still a win i might make 15k and have to buy 12k in ammo and 9k in repairs. In a loss under 10k, and repairs are over 12k, ammo 12k... paying out the wazoo.

Whats the deal?

selcooper #10 Posted May 20 2011 - 11:21

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[quote name='puda74' timestamp='1305869295' post='556599']
Same here I have a premium account. Using IS-3 on a really good game i barely break 20k, 3-4 kills damage everywhere.  On a bad game but still a win i might make 15k and have to buy 12k in ammo and 9k in repairs. In a loss under 10k, and repairs are over 12k, ammo 12k... paying out the wazoo.

Whats the deal?
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you should see the mumbo-jumbo of an answer that I got. I will see if I can find it and post it I might have tossed it in the trash


but basically they said higher tiers cost more and therefore players should expect to see loses with their money when they do not do enough damage, therefore it is recommended to keep lower tier tanks to offset this so that you can keep playing those higher tier tanks


you know I agree with this when you have the biggest and meanest but a T-43 come on not when I am playing against the mause, lowe and the rest geee

selcooper #11 Posted May 20 2011 - 11:54

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hey I found the post or reply from the support team

About v.0.6.4 patch notes you can read at http://forum.worldof...s-v064-update/.
Your experience and credits depend not so much on kills, but on the amount of damage. For example, you get more experience when you damage enemies substantially, even without killing them, than when you kill an enemy, almost destroyed by somebody else.

You gain more experience when you detect and damage an enemy yourself than when you damage an already detected enemy. Base capture and hold gives you extra experience, as well. You get more experience from damaging tanks of higher tiers, too. The same is for credits.

Players are supposed to play all tiers of tanks. The high-tier tanks are difficult to repair because they are not intended for everyday use, but as a goal to strive for.

Please, consider these circumstances next time you play.


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I, a KV/KV-3/IS driver have not found any noticeable 'decrease' in average credits gained. And still regularly make money with my IS.
You also have a relatively bad hit ratio on your T-43 (60%) That is probably why.

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I'm sorry, that's not a really good response. I don't consider Tier 6 to even BE high tier, do they?

In beta I played a couple of Tier 6's (3601H and KV-3) and a couple of Tier 7's (IS and Tiger) and I had no money problems whatsoever.

Now I'm playing one Tier 6, and a pile of Tier 5's, and I'm having money problems.

selcooper #14 Posted May 20 2011 - 13:51

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View Postcsp40, on May 20 2011 - 12:46, said:

I, a KV/KV-3/IS driver have not found any noticeable 'decrease' in average credits gained. And still regularly make money with my IS.
You also have a relatively bad hit ratio on your T-43 (60%) That is probably why.


I did not post it but in this latest release I have found that out of 4 shots fired 2 will not really fire.  therefore I am firing but they are blanks which does not help this ratio at all

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When i was grinding through KV or even KV-3 i was rolling in credits, i didn't expects such an extreme drop off at just tier 8. It is understandable now that i think of it though, if you only grind through tiers you are kind of forced to buy gold to convert to credits of buy a premium tank to make credits. Asking around ingame what people are making, i get the same basic values for tier 7 and up except for the new KV-5 and Lowe get 4-5x more then normal tier 8's. 80-100k most report.

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Something has changed my mutant 6 is averaging 10k profit when it used to average 30k profit.  I make more profit in the KV what is the point of the tier 8 premium now?

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A theory I have to partly explain it is the incredible # of critical hits has decreased, so we're not getting money for those anymore.

Still seems more extreme than that would explain though.

selcooper #18 Posted May 21 2011 - 22:08

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Looking at that I donot think that is the problem, what I think it is the fact that there is a lot of miss shots now from this patch and by that I mean shots that you fire but the system does not resigster them as being fired or that they are a miss.

As I mentioned above I have been getting a high miss fire rate as late and that is bringing down my average,



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jandraelune #19 Posted May 22 2011 - 00:59

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About 1/4 of my shots are just blanks, don't miss nor hit...their just not there.  With an IS-3 on a win I lose 2-10K...unless I receive 0 damage and only fire like 5 shots.  And this was before the patch...so nothing changed there other then phantom shots that are nto registered at all but you pay the bill to replace the ammo.

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Does anything in this forum ever get an official response?




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