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Content_WG #1 Posted Sep 02 2014 - 19:45

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The Chieftain heads to Russia to give us the lowdown on the T-34-85, an important upgrade of the original T-34.

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Daigensui #2 Posted Sep 02 2014 - 19:49

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HowitzerBlitzer #3 Posted Sep 02 2014 - 20:11

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Since when did Content_WG start posting good topics?

stalkervision #4 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 00:19

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I believe the armored cooling slats on the t-34 84 were to be closed during winter operation "chief".

 

 Closed kept the engine much warmer.

 

There were armored for arty air bursts and aircraft attack and close in fighting no doubt but that wasn't their only function.

 

 They served a dual function

 

 You didn't mention a nice thing on the t34 that the designer put into this tank.

 

 The turret ring was easily capable of taking a larger 3 man turret and bigger gun

 

Something the German Panzer three was not capable of.

 

 The outstanding thing about the T-34 was it's capability to me modified very easily to meet future threats without slowing down the production line very much.

 

 what is even more important was that the t34/85 was still a excellent tank automotive wise after the additional weight was added

 

 what is really nice about the WOT t34/85 is that IMO the designers were pretty accurate getting it to how the tank operated in real life. :)


Edited by stalkervision, Sep 03 2014 - 00:25.


Meplat #5 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 00:32

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View Poststalkervision, on Sep 02 2014 - 16:19, said:

I believe the armored cooling slats on the t-34 84 were to be closed during winter operation "chief".

 

 Closed kept the engine much warmer.

 

There were armored for arty air bursts and aircraft attack and close in fighting no doubt but that wasn't their only function.

 

 They served a dual function

 

 You didn't mention a nice thing on the t34 that the designer put into this tank.

 

 The turret ring was easily capable of taking a larger 3 man turret and bigger gun

 

Something the German Panzer three was not capable of.

 

 The outstanding thing about the T-34 was it's capability to me modified very easily to meet future threats without slowing down the production line very much.

 

 what is even more important was that the t34/85 was still a excellent tank automotive wise after the additional weight was added

 

 what is really nice about the WOT t34/85 is that IMO the designers were pretty accurate getting it to how the tank operated in real life. :)

 

He mentions the 3 man turret before the transition to the front description.

Rouge_Metal #6 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 01:00

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The T34/85 remains one of my favorite tanks.. I have no problems running it side by side with my clan mates is or is3 !!  running between the u11 and the 85 gives it a wide range of field options, and I like to use it to track big boy tanks while arty and other heavy's take them down..  it's fast so to stay out of the way, and can survive a hit from an m103.. even an E100 hit me one time and I lived.. "Though I'm not sure how !" Im moving through the tier line of the t34/85 and I see that I will never sell this tank.. I only hope that the ones that follow after this peppy little brawler give me as much as this tank has.. 

collimatrix #7 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 01:17

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Early T-44s have the Christie-style track links too.  That must have been when they figured out that they were at the limit of how much vehicle weight that system could take.

 

In addition, the Christie-style track didn't have great life.



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View PostMeplat, on Sep 02 2014 - 19:32, said:

 

He mentions the 3 man turret before the transition to the front description.

 

Yes I am sure but he doesn't mention that the t34 was designed to take larger turret and gun from the beginning.

 

 Or does he ?

 

 Maybe I missed that bit. :)



Dominatus #9 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 01:57

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View Poststalkervision, on Sep 02 2014 - 20:28, said:

Yes I am sure but he doesn't mention that the t34 was designed to take larger turret and gun from the beginning.

It actually wasn't. The turret ring was enlarged significantly for the 85mm gun. The old turret/hull could take an 85mm as well, but not as well, and with only the two men.



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View PostDominatus, on Sep 02 2014 - 20:57, said:

It actually wasn't. The turret ring was enlarged significantly for the 85mm gun. The old turret/hull could take an 85mm as well, but not as well, and with only the two men.

 

two man turret taking the 85 MM ?

 

 Highly unlikely :)

 

 your talking about the adapted cast three man turret of course

 

The genus of the design of the t34 was it's adaptability without losing a whole lot of function

 

 Something Koshkin designed into the tank from the start

 

 He died of a chest aliment just before the war

 

 and never saw his tank fight

 

 and help save Russia

 

 which is interesting to me as it has parallels with the designer of the Supermarine Spitfire 

 

 look them both up.. :)



Dominatus #11 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 02:57

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Spoiler

The maximum size of the turret ring is dependent on the size of the hull more than anything else. It's generally not that hard to enlarge one assuming the hull itself permits it.



Xlucine #12 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 10:29

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View PostHowitzerBlitzer, on Sep 02 2014 - 20:11, said:

Since when did Content_WG start posting good topics?

 

Since chieftain stopped posting the forum topics

 

View Poststalkervision, on Sep 03 2014 - 00:19, said:

I believe the armored cooling slats on the t-34 84 were to be closed during winter operation "chief".

 

 Closed kept the engine much warmer.

 

There were armored for arty air bursts and aircraft attack and close in fighting no doubt but that wasn't their only function.

 

 They served a dual function

 

Maybe when you're warming up the engine, but not while you're driving it



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View Poststevex09, on Sep 02 2014 - 19:00, said:

The T34/85 remains one of my favorite tanks.. I have no problems running it side by side with my clan mates is or is3 !!  running between the u11 and the 85 gives it a wide range of field options, and I like to use it to track big boy tanks while arty and other heavy's take them down..  it's fast so to stay out of the way, and can survive a hit from an m103.. even an E100 hit me one time and I lived.. "Though I'm not sure how !" Im moving through the tier line of the t34/85 and I see that I will never sell this tank.. I only hope that the ones that follow after this peppy little brawler give me as much as this tank has.. 

 

Badly placed HE shell.

stalkervision #14 Posted Sep 04 2014 - 16:15

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View PostDominatus, on Sep 02 2014 - 21:57, said:

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The maximum size of the turret ring is dependent on the size of the hull more than anything else. It's generally not that hard to enlarge one assuming the hull itself permits it.

 

 So when did you design a tank? :)

 

 Actually it isn't just the turret ring size you have to realize. It also has a lot to do with the mechanisms that support it's functioning such a the power drive on the turret..

 

the t-34 wasn't a huge tank whatsoever

 

 From the book "T-34 Russian armor" it says the T-34 was highly adaptable to being modified

 

 Probably do to it's simplicity


Edited by stalkervision, Sep 04 2014 - 16:19.


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View PostXlucine, on Sep 03 2014 - 05:29, said:

 

Since chieftain stopped posting the forum topics

 

 

Maybe when you're warming up the engine, but not while you're driving it

 

  winter time driving...

 

  Russian Winters you have in Siberia are very very cold. :)



Xlucine #16 Posted Sep 09 2014 - 21:15

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huh, so you don't ignore first apart from on very steep hills? I was under the impression that was standard on heavy military vehicles, since the load on steep hills/when towing is so much greater than the load on flat concrete.

Anlushac11 #17 Posted Sep 10 2014 - 00:28

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Some times the hull doesn't have to be wide enough...you add fillets to hull sides to support a larger turret ring a la KV-85.

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View PostAnlushac11, on Sep 09 2014 - 19:28, said:

Some times the hull doesn't have to be wide enough...you add fillets to hull sides to support a larger turret ring a la KV-85.

 

That may work but you have the track set underneath and all the assorted running gear it entails. The loader station would be a problem as he normally stands on the floor.

 

 If you widen the turret and ring it will overhang the tracks which need a place to run in.

 

 where will the loader stand then? : )

 

 A much bigger turret will have him pinned up against the track channel



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View Poststalkervision, on Sep 10 2014 - 00:37, said:

 

That may work but you have the track set underneath and all the assorted running gear it entails. The loader station would be a problem as he normally stands on the floor.

 

 If you widen the turret and ring it will overhang the tracks which need a place to run in.

 

 where will the loader stand then? : )

 

 A much bigger turret will have him pinned up against the track channel

 

You should look at just about any cold war MBT ever

Anlushac11 #20 Posted Sep 10 2014 - 02:19

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In case of the KV-85 the IS prototype turret's ring was about same width as outside edge of KV hull. The fillets were just welded to hull to support outer edge of the ring.

 

Also, if you look at a KV-1/2 tank the hull does not overhang the tracks. The IS series did extend the hull over the tracks to a certain extent to allow a larger turret ring and heavier turret.

 

If the IS prototype turret ring had been any wide probably would not have worked

 


Edited by Anlushac11, Sep 10 2014 - 08:24.





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