

Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: T-34-85 Part 1
#1 Posted Sep 02 2014 - 19:45
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#4 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 00:19
I believe the armored cooling slats on the t-34 84 were to be closed during winter operation "chief".
Closed kept the engine much warmer.
There were armored for arty air bursts and aircraft attack and close in fighting no doubt but that wasn't their only function.
They served a dual function
You didn't mention a nice thing on the t34 that the designer put into this tank.
The turret ring was easily capable of taking a larger 3 man turret and bigger gun
Something the German Panzer three was not capable of.
The outstanding thing about the T-34 was it's capability to me modified very easily to meet future threats without slowing down the production line very much.
what is even more important was that the t34/85 was still a excellent tank automotive wise after the additional weight was added
what is really nice about the WOT t34/85 is that IMO the designers were pretty accurate getting it to how the tank operated in real life. :)
Edited by stalkervision, Sep 03 2014 - 00:25.
#5 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 00:32
stalkervision, on Sep 02 2014 - 16:19, said:
I believe the armored cooling slats on the t-34 84 were to be closed during winter operation "chief".
Closed kept the engine much warmer.
There were armored for arty air bursts and aircraft attack and close in fighting no doubt but that wasn't their only function.
They served a dual function
You didn't mention a nice thing on the t34 that the designer put into this tank.
The turret ring was easily capable of taking a larger 3 man turret and bigger gun
Something the German Panzer three was not capable of.
The outstanding thing about the T-34 was it's capability to me modified very easily to meet future threats without slowing down the production line very much.
what is even more important was that the t34/85 was still a excellent tank automotive wise after the additional weight was added
what is really nice about the WOT t34/85 is that IMO the designers were pretty accurate getting it to how the tank operated in real life. :)
He mentions the 3 man turret before the transition to the front description.
#6 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 01:00
#7 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 01:17
Early T-44s have the Christie-style track links too. That must have been when they figured out that they were at the limit of how much vehicle weight that system could take.
In addition, the Christie-style track didn't have great life.
#9 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 01:57
stalkervision, on Sep 02 2014 - 20:28, said:
Yes I am sure but he doesn't mention that the t34 was designed to take larger turret and gun from the beginning.
It actually wasn't. The turret ring was enlarged significantly for the 85mm gun. The old turret/hull could take an 85mm as well, but not as well, and with only the two men.
#10 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 02:43
Dominatus, on Sep 02 2014 - 20:57, said:
It actually wasn't. The turret ring was enlarged significantly for the 85mm gun. The old turret/hull could take an 85mm as well, but not as well, and with only the two men.
two man turret taking the 85 MM ?
Highly unlikely :)
your talking about the adapted cast three man turret of course
The genus of the design of the t34 was it's adaptability without losing a whole lot of function
Something Koshkin designed into the tank from the start
He died of a chest aliment just before the war
and never saw his tank fight
and help save Russia
which is interesting to me as it has parallels with the designer of the Supermarine Spitfire
look them both up.. :)
#11 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 02:57
The maximum size of the turret ring is dependent on the size of the hull more than anything else. It's generally not that hard to enlarge one assuming the hull itself permits it.
#12 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 10:29
Since chieftain stopped posting the forum topics
stalkervision, on Sep 03 2014 - 00:19, said:
I believe the armored cooling slats on the t-34 84 were to be closed during winter operation "chief".
Closed kept the engine much warmer.
There were armored for arty air bursts and aircraft attack and close in fighting no doubt but that wasn't their only function.
They served a dual function
Maybe when you're warming up the engine, but not while you're driving it
#13 Posted Sep 03 2014 - 19:18
stevex09, on Sep 02 2014 - 19:00, said:
Badly placed HE shell.
#14 Posted Sep 04 2014 - 16:15
Dominatus, on Sep 02 2014 - 21:57, said:
The maximum size of the turret ring is dependent on the size of the hull more than anything else. It's generally not that hard to enlarge one assuming the hull itself permits it.
So when did you design a tank? :)
Actually it isn't just the turret ring size you have to realize. It also has a lot to do with the mechanisms that support it's functioning such a the power drive on the turret..
the t-34 wasn't a huge tank whatsoever
From the book "T-34 Russian armor" it says the T-34 was highly adaptable to being modified
Probably do to it's simplicity
Edited by stalkervision, Sep 04 2014 - 16:19.
#16 Posted Sep 09 2014 - 21:15
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#18 Posted Sep 10 2014 - 00:37
Anlushac11, on Sep 09 2014 - 19:28, said:
That may work but you have the track set underneath and all the assorted running gear it entails. The loader station would be a problem as he normally stands on the floor.
If you widen the turret and ring it will overhang the tracks which need a place to run in.
where will the loader stand then? : )
A much bigger turret will have him pinned up against the track channel
#19 Posted Sep 10 2014 - 01:49
stalkervision, on Sep 10 2014 - 00:37, said:
That may work but you have the track set underneath and all the assorted running gear it entails. The loader station would be a problem as he normally stands on the floor.
If you widen the turret and ring it will overhang the tracks which need a place to run in.
where will the loader stand then? : )
A much bigger turret will have him pinned up against the track channel
You should look at just about any cold war MBT ever
#20 Posted Sep 10 2014 - 02:19
In case of the KV-85 the IS prototype turret's ring was about same width as outside edge of KV hull. The fillets were just welded to hull to support outer edge of the ring.
Also, if you look at a KV-1/2 tank the hull does not overhang the tracks. The IS series did extend the hull over the tracks to a certain extent to allow a larger turret ring and heavier turret.
If the IS prototype turret ring had been any wide probably would not have worked
Edited by Anlushac11, Sep 10 2014 - 08:24.
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