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Marchbaby #1 Posted May 26 2011 - 23:24

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I always seem to fight heavy tanks in this thing and I wanted to ask. Which helps more against them the short 105 or the longest 75 which I have but it always seems to bounce. Would it be better for me to get the short 105 or keep the 75 and if I should keep it any tips on how to be more efficient with it. Thank you for any help you can give me with this issue.

davedaaznlu #2 Posted May 26 2011 - 23:26

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i use long with HE. wasnt that effective, so i sold it.

Marchbaby #3 Posted May 26 2011 - 23:31

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I have not tried HE with the long 75 I use AP which may be part of the problem. I like the tank itself it is jsut I always seem to get destroyed by a T34 a Sherman or even more commonly Tigers IS's and T28/29 and although I do about 20% to a sherman or a t34 a tiger it bounces or does 6% and then they one shot me is there any way to be better against heavies since I am good at sniping it is just I never seem to be able to penetrate them.

RG_Kortor #4 Posted May 26 2011 - 23:35

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i am a huge fan of the 75 at range, but i have seen a lot of the 105s lately.

ZombieFlanders #5 Posted May 26 2011 - 23:45

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use the long 75 and stand back.  the PzIV is almost a poor mans panther...good at long range but handicapped up close.  when you are up against something you are bouncing off of either try HE or change your angle and wait for a chance to hit the sides. or if you can, aim for weak spots like hatches/cupolas/scopes etc.  you can still damage tanks much heavier than yours by hitting these since the gun is very accurate.

Frawg #6 Posted May 27 2011 - 00:10

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long 75 is a sniper gun, the 105 is a brawling gun.

Use the 105 for close quarters ambush tactics. hide behind something, let your prey get close, then hammer them. retreat IMMEDIATELY and use obstacles while you wait for reload. Rinse/Repeat til your target dies :P

Frawg #7 Posted May 27 2011 - 00:12

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long 75 is a sniper gun, the 105 is a brawling gun.

Use the 105 for close quarters ambush tactics. hide behind something, let your prey get close, then hammer them. retreat IMMEDIATELY and use obstacles while you wait for reload. Rinse/Repeat til your target dies :P

jhenhaojhan #8 Posted May 27 2011 - 04:17

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Depeneds on the range that you used to fight...

Mid - Long ... 75 / 60 with AP round performs better the 105 with HE round,
nearly Mid - Short ... 105 / 28 with HE round give a soild heavy pounch.

I am used to shoot at distance, the monster 75 /60 is my first choice ... ( Take out 2 KV, 1 PzIV, 1 Luchs at distance in one match)

Mittensocks #9 Posted May 29 2011 - 04:43

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The way I see it the 105 (with HE) is a haymaker, if it connects your going to do some damage.
Where as the 75 is a jab, accurate and might wear them down.

In my experience, which is about 1 to 1 1/2 months out of date and could be obsolete, I have used the 105 with only HE rounds to great success up close and semi-good at a distance. At a distance I've been able to hit the larger tanks (IS, T29's, and Tigers oh my) with relative ease and left more than just a dent in there armor (in the teens as far as HP % goes) even the higher tanks like the American T-34 get a nice little amount knocked off. Where as up close (point blank range) I've slugged it out with KV's without the 152 and came out on top.

The only thing about the 105 is the damage is so random, one shot may land you a nice 30+% (highest I've had is about 41 or 42%) HP knocked off of a KV and the next will take 6-9% off.

Again, I just wanna say things may be diffrent since the latest patch

JohnHenry #10 Posted May 29 2011 - 10:08

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Did a hit with 75 at 640 meters. If you could choose what maps to play on, the 105 would be city fight trollcanon.

KillingMeSoftly #11 Posted May 29 2011 - 11:40

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Most of the pros and cons of the two guns have been discussed already.

HE may allow you to put some damage on heavies regardless of where you aim but there's a reason why the damage is very inconsistent.  HE damage is affected by how much armor the enemy has.  The thicker the armor plate you shoot the more drastically you'll lose HE damage.  This is why guns that only do ~100 or so damage are worthless as HE guns and why guns that deal 300+ are ideal.

Personally I've found the 7.5cm L/70 using AP rounds to be the most effective use of the Panzer IV.

Melegaunt #12 Posted May 30 2011 - 01:06

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If you don't have anything against buying premium ammo, the 10,5 cm is fantastic. With premium shells, you get 150mm of average penetration, and an average damage output of 350. With that penetration stat, you'll be hitting even tier VII's harder than they'd like, and one-shotting medium & lights of tier V and below (and you'll two-shot KVs even from the front).

If you're not one to buy premium shells, however, I'd stick with the long 75. It doesn't have the big instant damage output of the 10,5, but it turns your PzIV into a cross between a tank destroyer and a medium, and the result is fantastic. Just remember to make use of the .29 accuracy to hit your opponents from a good distance away.

ChiefKim #13 Posted May 30 2011 - 07:42

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Yea the PZIV with long 75mm is deadly, I was in KV with 107mm gun and saw a PZIV and was thinking 'muahahahaha poor medium' and rushed him, I got a nasty surprise when his shells started going right through me and I ended up dead before I even got to him : (

Strangely for the German line I actually find the PZIV more deadly than it's allied counterparts (M4 Sherman and T-34), I haven't been on the german med line but that long 75mm sorta scares me, even in my KV.

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View PostKillingMeSoftly, on May 29 2011 - 11:40, said:

Most of the pros and cons of the two guns have been discussed already.

HE may allow you to put some damage on heavies regardless of where you aim but there's a reason why the damage is very inconsistent.  HE damage is affected by how much armor the enemy has.  The thicker the armor plate you shoot the more drastically you'll lose HE damage.  This is why guns that only do ~100 or so damage are worthless as HE guns and why guns that deal 300+ are ideal.

Personally I've found the 7.5cm L/70 using AP rounds to be the most effective use of the Panzer IV.


I have to agree. Although, I have had only 54 battles in it, I've had more success in my Pz IV with the 7.5cm L/70 than any other tank. Even if you don't get kills, detracking and disabling enemy tanks whilest your mates clean up is so much fun as well as taking out tanks 400 plus meters away. You can do a lot of damage with this accurate gun, and the view and radio range of this tank is also good. The biggest and only con I have for the Pz IV is its rear armor. I feel like I have a draft back there.  :Smile-hiding:

DarmanRC1136 #15 Posted Jun 02 2011 - 14:05

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the only time i use the 105mm is when im goin up against somtin that my ap rounds on my 75mm just bounce off.  e.g. in clan wars you got  teir nine and tens around and the 75mm with ap gonna be useless.  other that that I preffer the 75mm.  just snipe their treads, guns,and hatches.

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View PostChiefKim, on May 30 2011 - 07:42, said:

Yea the PZIV with long 75mm is deadly, I was in KV with 107mm gun and saw a PZIV and was thinking 'muahahahaha poor medium' and rushed him, I got a nasty surprise when his shells started going right through me and I ended up dead before I even got to him : (

Strangely for the German line I actually find the PZIV more deadly than it's allied counterparts (M4 Sherman and T-34), I haven't been on the german med line but that long 75mm sorta scares me, even in my KV.

Thats quite the opposite of what I think...
I fear the KV more than a Tiger tank or an IS

DarthKramer #17 Posted Jun 10 2011 - 01:19

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View PostChiefKim, on May 30 2011 - 07:42, said:

Yea the PZIV with long 75mm is deadly, I was in KV with 107mm gun and saw a PZIV and was thinking 'muahahahaha poor medium' and rushed him, I got a nasty surprise when his shells started going right through me and I ended up dead before I even got to him : (

Strangely for the German line I actually find the PZIV more deadly than it's allied counterparts (M4 Sherman and T-34), I haven't been on the german med line but that long 75mm sorta scares me, even in my KV.
i've taken out countless kv's and t1 u.s. heavies in my pz4...i only use the long 75 with standard ap shells. im deadly with it. camo, crew is all at 100% camo trained..have the ram loader, so with the loading speed its a killer. when i had a tiger i watched out for pz4's knowing what they can do. its one tank i will never sell...

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View PostCowgirl589, on Jun 09 2011 - 19:43, said:

Thats quite the opposite of what I think...
I fear the KV more than a Tiger tank or an IS
how can you fear a kv more than an iS? that doesn't make sense...

random51 #19 Posted Jun 10 2011 - 01:25

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7.5 L/70 is the way to go. The barrel doesn't have much depression but you can get hull down and the turret will bounce the light stuff quite easily.

Pick mods suitable for a sniper, find your spot, punch hole in anything that comes by. Has pretty good range, I got a couple ~550m kills today.

Nichts #20 Posted Jun 10 2011 - 16:35

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I used the 75 L70 to great success with the Pz4. I don't consider the Pz4 a brawler tank (low side armour, slow turret turning speed), and so I built it and played it as a sniper/flanker, and loved it.

That's not to say the 105 route is bad... I just don't see it being all that great because of the Pz4's weaknesses.