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JEMknight657 #141 Posted Mar 01 2015 - 07:39

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Thank you unexplained carpet stains for possibly saving our season :)

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Yay we might have made someone happy!

Np buddy :3



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gj dudes, see you in the playoffs

Guest_MeodreadKV_* #144 Posted Mar 01 2015 - 21:25

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Am I the only once confused as to why Gary Maxwell force went from 0 to 15 when first place is only 10?

germansunite #145 Posted Mar 01 2015 - 21:33

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Guess Bad at Tonks was that surprise upset.

Edited by germansunite, Mar 01 2015 - 21:41.


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View PostMeodreadKV, on Mar 01 2015 - 12:25, said:

Am I the only once confused as to why Gary Maxwell force went from 0 to 15 when first place is only 10?

 

Gary Maxwell was my fault. A team had requested a name change that I approved. Unfortunately, I forgot to update my spreadsheet with the new name before I posted the Cup points after Cup 4. Which means that half the points were scored under the old name and half under the new name. 

 

When I looked over everything again before posting the final results, I noticed the mistake and fixed it.

 

Apologies to all for the confusion, and to Gary Maxwell's captain for not noticing sooner that I hadn't actually updated my sheet  :hiding:



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View Postdance210, on Mar 01 2015 - 15:33, said:

 

Gary Maxwell was my fault. A team had requested a name change that I approved. Unfortunately, I forgot to update my spreadsheet with the new name before I posted the Cup points after Cup 4. Which means that half the points were scored under the old name and half under the new name. 

 

When I looked over everything again before posting the final results, I noticed the mistake and fixed it.

 

Apologies to all for the confusion, and to Gary Maxwell's captain for not noticing sooner that I hadn't actually updated my sheet  :hiding:

 

Then why does it say on each cup page we must maintain the same name to keep our points?

 

To quote the rosters section:

In order to qualify for cummulative Cup Points and be eligible for the Playoffs, teams must:

  • Register for each Cup with the same team name.
  • Retain 50% + 1 members from the previous week.
  • A team with  10 players must bring back 6 players with the same team name to be considered part of the same team.

Any teams that fail in the above will be ineligible for the cummulative Cup Points.



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View Postgermansunite, on Mar 01 2015 - 15:33, said:

Guess Bad at Tonks was that surprise upset.

 

Hey we egg layers did gud too

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View PostMeodreadKV, on Mar 01 2015 - 12:41, said:

 

Then why does it say on each cup page we must maintain the same name to keep our points?

 

To quote the rosters section:

In order to qualify for cummulative Cup Points and be eligible for the Playoffs, teams must:

  • Register for each Cup with the same team name.
  • Retain 50% + 1 members from the previous week.
  • A team with  10 players must bring back 6 players with the same team name to be considered part of the same team.

Any teams that fail in the above will be ineligible for the cummulative Cup Points.

 

Because we were not going to search to see that Team A and Team B were the same, simply because they had the same roster/captain when they registered.

 

However, the captain specifically asked if a name change would be possible while keeping the points already earned. As it was a request, and not just them changing it on their own, the request was approved. They did what they were supposed to; I simply forgot to make all the changes needed on my end.



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View PostGeorgietheprincess, on Mar 01 2015 - 14:49, said:

 

Hey we egg layers did gud too

 

congrats on second place :)

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View PostMeodreadKV, on Mar 01 2015 - 15:25, said:

Am I the only once confused as to why Gary Maxwell force went from 0 to 15 when first place is only 10?

 

Our old Team name was TheNADDtatsic7 we received 6 Points for cup 1 and 4 points for cup 2... Cup 3 round 2 on the Friday 10 minutes before the match was about to start we received sad news about one of our members and stood down and did not play that round. So we did not advance to Round 3 or 4, Cup 4 we were still on edge and did not advance also.

 

We contacted Dance and asked to change the name to honor that member and it was approved, (Thank you Dance)...

so 10 points from old team name and 5 points under new team name make the 15 points. Sorry if this has caused any issues.



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View PostTracker40, on Mar 02 2015 - 10:17, said:

 

Our old Team name was TheNADDtatsic7 we received 6 Points for cup 1 and 4 points for cup 2... Cup 3 round 2 on the Friday 10 minutes before the match was about to start we received sad news about one of our members and stood down and did not play that round. So we did not advance to Round 3 or 4, Cup 4 we were still on edge and did not advance also.

 

We contacted Dance and asked to change the name to honor that member and it was approved, (Thank you Dance)...

so 10 points from old team name and 5 points under new team name make the 15 points. Sorry if this has caused any issues.

 

07 gary maxwell force

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View Postblazeterror1, on Mar 02 2015 - 11:28, said:

 

07 gary maxwell force

 

Thank you sir o7

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Dance, how does the payout for the playoffs work? Is it only the people playing in the playoffs or does it include players who were in the team during all cups?

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View PostGeorgietheprincess, on Mar 01 2015 - 21:49, said:

 

Hey we egg layers did gud too

 

:justwait:

 

See you at the playoffs.


Edited by PrOLEON, Mar 02 2015 - 21:46.


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You too! I am looking foward to fighting Bad at Tonks again, they were good games.

Speaking of the playoffs how will the bracket be drawn? 1st v 16th, 2nd v 15th, ect... random, some other method I have not thought of?


Edited by Georgietheprincess, Mar 03 2015 - 01:44.


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About the open cup format, there are many things I have liked about it, but many things I don't as well.  For one thing I agree with a previous post that the first week should not just be about making to the second week.  The points should accumulate, this would not only promote teams staying in to get those points, it would promote teams sticking in there, knowing that they still had a chance to end up in the top 16 (up to a point.)  While the first cup should start out seeded randomly, after that the teams should be seeded according to the outcome of the previous group of fights.  This would promote more even groups, (there might need to be a little tweaking there.. maybe a few extra points per win depending on what group you end up in) Basically something that would still keep the fights with groups that are more equal, while still letting the best teams stay where they should be and get into the playoffs.  Any "new" teams would have to start in the bottom groups, and work their way up.  

 

The cups points idea was a good start however it allowed for teams to get into the playoffs without having to put in the effort that many teams did.   And thus allows a chance for a team that only played 20% of the "CUPS" to walk off with the big prizes.

 

I applaud all of the teams this year that stuck with the open cup and played through most if not all of the cups, I also appreciate that WG is trying something different that I think attempted to fix some of the issues in past Open Leagues.  It still needs some work.

 

 



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View Post_BIGZ_, on Mar 03 2015 - 00:29, said:

About the open cup format, there are many things I have liked about it, but many things I don't as well.  For one thing I agree with a previous post that the first week should not just be about making to the second week.  The points should accumulate, this would not only promote teams staying in to get those points, it would promote teams sticking in there, knowing that they still had a chance to end up in the top 16 (up to a point.)  While the first cup should start out seeded randomly, after that the teams should be seeded according to the outcome of the previous group of fights.  This would promote more even groups, (there might need to be a little tweaking there.. maybe a few extra points per win depending on what group you end up in) Basically something that would still keep the fights with groups that are more equal, while still letting the best teams stay where they should be and get into the playoffs.  Any "new" teams would have to start in the bottom groups, and work their way up.  

 

The cups points idea was a good start however it allowed for teams to get into the playoffs without having to put in the effort that many teams did.   And thus allows a chance for a team that only played 20% of the "CUPS" to walk off with the big prizes.

 

I applaud all of the teams this year that stuck with the open cup and played through most if not all of the cups, I also appreciate that WG is trying something different that I think attempted to fix some of the issues in past Open Leagues.  It still needs some work.

 

 

 

The reason they do the weeks as is makes sense. It minimizes the effects of teams that no show. I had a round on Himmelsdorf where I had 3 teams no show. The first week is about weeding out these team and the weaker teams that are incredibly easy to beat. By doing this you leave for the 2nd weak a smaller amount of competitive teams, making bracket composition much less of a factor. There is no "lucky bracket" during weak 2 that has no mediocre team surrounded by garbage that allows said mediocre team to place much higher then they otherwise might. 

 

And why should it matter how many cups you play in? If your good enough to only have to compete in 1 to get in then why make them compete in more?



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View PostZiltoid3, on Mar 02 2015 - 09:31, said:

Dance, how does the payout for the playoffs work? Is it only the people playing in the playoffs or does it include players who were in the team during all cups?

Only the players who participate in the playoffs will earn the playoff gold.

 

View PostGeorgietheprincess, on Mar 02 2015 - 16:41, said:

You too! I am looking foward to fighting Bad at Tonks again, they were good games.

Speaking of the playoffs how will the bracket be drawn? 1st v 16th, 2nd v 15th, ect... random, some other method I have not thought of?

The teams are seeded based on rank: 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, etc. If a team was tied (e.g. two teams ranked 5th), the system randomly assigned one team to seed 5 and one to seed 6. If you go to the Playoff tournament page, the bracket is there :)

 

View Post_BIGZ_, on Mar 02 2015 - 21:29, said:

About the open cup format, there are many things I have liked about it, but many things I don't as well.  For one thing I agree with a previous post that the first week should not just be about making to the second week.  The points should accumulate, this would not only promote teams staying in to get those points, it would promote teams sticking in there, knowing that they still had a chance to end up in the top 16 (up to a point.)  While the first cup should start out seeded randomly, after that the teams should be seeded according to the outcome of the previous group of fights.  This would promote more even groups, (there might need to be a little tweaking there.. maybe a few extra points per win depending on what group you end up in) Basically something that would still keep the fights with groups that are more equal, while still letting the best teams stay where they should be and get into the playoffs.  Any "new" teams would have to start in the bottom groups, and work their way up.  

 

The cups points idea was a good start however it allowed for teams to get into the playoffs without having to put in the effort that many teams did.   And thus allows a chance for a team that only played 20% of the "CUPS" to walk off with the big prizes.

 

I applaud all of the teams this year that stuck with the open cup and played through most if not all of the cups, I also appreciate that WG is trying something different that I think attempted to fix some of the issues in past Open Leagues.  It still needs some work.

 

 

Thank you _BIGZ_ for your feedback! As this was the first time using a Cup format in this way, we'll be looking at the feedback to decide how things will work next season :honoring:



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View PostGeorgietheprincess, on Mar 03 2015 - 02:39, said:

 

The reason they do the weeks as is makes sense. It minimizes the effects of teams that no show. I had a round on Himmelsdorf where I had 3 teams no show. The first week is about weeding out these team and the weaker teams that are incredibly easy to beat. By doing this you leave for the 2nd weak a smaller amount of competitive teams, making bracket composition much less of a factor. There is no "lucky bracket" during weak 2 that has no mediocre team surrounded by garbage that allows said mediocre team to place much higher then they otherwise might. 

 

And why should it matter how many cups you play in? If your good enough to only have to compete in 1 to get in then why make them compete in more?

 

I understand the concept, and think it was a step in the right direction, and no shows IMO should be removed pretty much right away as they do not contribute to the fun of the Tourneys.  In the case that you presented your rating (and everyone in your group that was actually there) had an unnaturally high point score compared to the groups that had to fight teams that were there.  Maybe "technical victories" should not be counted at all, for a win or for points possible (Just a thought.)  After all the ratings are based on points won/points possible so if you still did well in your group but only had 4 active teams your rating would still be skewed but not as much as being given 9 points (free) for no shows.   Any team that is a no show more than 1 battle in a group should be removed from the next set of fights.

 

As far as the teams that are incredibly easy to beat, most of them are new to the format, and/or new to tournaments, the determined ones still want to play and learn rather than just being discarded.   What I am suggesting is to still let those teams learn and progress even if they are not necessarily doing extremely well, and get put up against teams closer to their skill levels, while keeping the better teams in groups that will challenge them and keep them in the playoffs.

 

IMO Open league is where teams start to get experience and improve their skills while getting moderately rewarded and encouraged to continue the sport.  That leads to my answer as to why if a team is good enough to only play in one cup and get into the playoffs then they are playing below their skill level and should be in a higher tier of e-sport.  It gets very frustrating for other teams that have put as many hours as the teams have in this league just to see the top prizes taken by teams that should be already be playing in higher leagues.  Maybe I will be wrong, and the teams that have worked hard throughout this season will get the prizes they deserve.  The playoffs will make it clear as to how well the new system has worked. 

 

Either way I do think the new system is a step in the right direction, the teams that have played well throughout the season have my utmost respect and I hope them the best in the playoffs.






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