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quentincf #161 Posted Mar 04 2015 - 00:14

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With the no-shows...

 

You cannot punish the teams whose 'enemies' do not show up by lowering their points, seems unfair... 

 

Also, you mention that teams that should be in higher leagues and fairness and yadd yadda...

 

Everyone in this league have been afforded the same opportunity and the same game, no one (per the rules) could enter if they were apart of any other league play. Just because some players are better doesn't mean it is unfair. I don't think they should have an open cup worst of the worst and reward the players with gold prizes....

 

I hope I do not seem too critical and support all open and fair play and consider myself fortunate to be on a good team, to everyone else, step up your game if you want some of that prize gold...  :-)

 

I do hope WG continues to offer the cup format, I would suggest anyone with criticism follow it up with a solution.



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View PostGeorgietheprincess, on Mar 02 2015 - 19:41, said:

You too! I am looking foward to fighting Bad at Tonks again, they were good games.

Speaking of the playoffs how will the bracket be drawn? 1st v 16th, 2nd v 15th, ect... random, some other method I have not thought of?

 

Same here. We had some really good games. I wanted to put them on youtube but that would show both team starts. Maybe after this is over I will. Fun games can't wait to do it again.

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View Postquentincf, on Mar 03 2015 - 17:14, said:

With the no-shows...

 

You cannot punish the teams whose 'enemies' do not show up by lowering their points, seems unfair... 

 

Also, you mention that teams that should be in higher leagues and fairness and yadd yadda...

 

Everyone in this league have been afforded the same opportunity and the same game, no one (per the rules) could enter if they were apart of any other league play. Just because some players are better doesn't mean it is unfair. I don't think they should have an open cup worst of the worst and reward the players with gold prizes....

 

I hope I do not seem too critical and support all open and fair play and consider myself fortunate to be on a good team, to everyone else, step up your game if you want some of that prize gold...  :-)

 

I do hope WG continues to offer the cup format, I would suggest anyone with criticism follow it up with a solution.

 

I wasn't proposing punishing anyone for "no shows," (I just wasn't proposing rewarding anyone) the mathematics works if you play 10 teams or just 4 teams WG already use that in figuring position its #ofpoints/#ofpossible points  if you were in a group of 8 and there were three no shows and still won all of your games your position is still 100%, and that was just a thought I tossed out, better ideas are welcomed.  The overall ratios would iron themselves out after eliminating the no shows.

 

I am not here to argue who is better, I just think that if a team spends 30-40 hours of game time doing well, getting points and making the playoffs, it would be a shame for a team who put in minimal effort, getting just enough points to make sure they were in the playoffs and then got the top prize.  Ok so the team is good enough to do so?  If they are so good as to pull that off should they really be playing open cup?  If a good team is in it for the sport, or the improvement of the sport they would be there for every (or nearly every) battle. 

 

I don't remember suggesting a worst of the worst cup (sounds like an exaggeration to get off subject..  oh and the yadda yadda comment is awesome!)  I think every team that made it to the playoffs are good.  As I have stated, I hope that the teams that were there for most of the cups take away the grand prize, they deserve it.  The playoff results will indicate how successful this format is. 

 

If this was considered criticism, it was constructive, and I have offered some possible solutions and was hoping to hear others as well. 

 

In general this format is better than the old one, and for that I applaud WG, It is a very time intensive format, much more so that the old format, but it did allow many new teams to try their hand at being in the Open Cup.   I think with a little more tweaking it can be made better.

 

Best of luck to all of the teams in the playoffs!!

 

 

 



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View Post_BIGZ_, on Mar 04 2015 - 01:28, said:

I am not here to argue who is better, I just think that if a team spends 30-40 hours of game time doing well, getting points and making the playoffs, it would be a shame for a team who put in minimal effort, getting just enough points to make sure they were in the playoffs and then got the top prize.  Ok so the team is good enough to do so?  If they are so good as to pull that off should they really be playing open cup?  If a good team is in it for the sport, or the improvement of the sport they would be there for every (or nearly every) battle. 

 

I mean I don't see how time spent justifies a teams deserved progression. I honestly see no correlation. You deserve to progress by being good, and that can be determined in a single cup. To me there is no difference between a team that earns 8 cup points in 5 cups and 8 cup points in 1 cup, both are equally deserving of the position they hold as a result. And why shouldn't a good team be in the open cup? This part honestly confuses me as it contradicts almost everything else you've been saying about good high level game play here so ill just assume this is poor phrasing. In case it is not i will simply say that any team can and should compete regardless of skill level (good or bad). On your final point i fail to see how a teams desire to improve the sport should in any way dictate their standings overall, however they achieved these standings. 


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Like any tournament, ever.... Winning is rewarded, is this the product of the everyone gets a trophy mentality some of us are raised with?  Maybe I am totally missing the point here...

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View PostGeorgietheprincess, on Mar 04 2015 - 00:50, said:

 

I mean I don't see how time spent justifies a teams deserved progression. I honestly see no correlation. You deserve to progress by being good, and that can be determined in a single cup. To me there is no difference between a team that earns 8 cup points in 5 cups and 8 cup points in 1 cup, both are equally deserving of the position they hold as a result. And why shouldn't a good team be in the open cup? This part honestly confuses me as it contradicts almost everything else you've been saying about good high level game play here so ill just assume this is poor phrasing. In case it is not i will simply say that any team can and should compete regardless of skill level (good or bad). On your final point i fail to see how a teams desire to improve the sport should in any way dictate their standings overall, however they achieved these standings. 

 

That is where we fundamentally disagree, and that's OK, I happen to believe that dedication, reliability, and accountability are traits every bit as important as being good.  Frankly it was you that brought up the no shows (those teams that lack those same traits that you do not value.) 

 

Without the teams that put in the time and showed those values Open Cup would not have been a success, since no one would have shown up except to get enough points to be in the Playoffs.

 

As far as the current rules you are right, 8 points is 8 points, I cant really argue that.  As stated above however if all of the teams played that way, open cup would not have been a success.  My suggestion to WG is to change the rules in such a way to prevent that from happening.  Something you obviously disagree with.

 

I have not argued against good teams being in the Open Cup, (I phrased it poorly as you suggested,) there are many good teams in the Open Cup, It is my opinion that all of the teams should show the aforementioned traits, and contribute to the success of the Cup instead of just showing up with a good team to be in the playoffs.  I might also add that most of the teams in the playoffs did exactly what they should have, IMO and for that I have a great amount of respect for them.

 

 



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View Post_BIGZ_, on Mar 04 2015 - 10:38, said:

 

That is where we fundamentally disagree, and that's OK, I happen to believe that dedication, reliability, and accountability are traits every bit as important as being good.  Frankly it was you that brought up the no shows (those teams that lack those same traits that you do not value.) 

 

Without the teams that put in the time and showed those values Open Cup would not have been a success, since no one would have shown up except to get enough points to be in the Playoffs.

 

As far as the current rules you are right, 8 points is 8 points, I cant really argue that.  As stated above however if all of the teams played that way, open cup would not have been a success.  My suggestion to WG is to change the rules in such a way to prevent that from happening.  Something you obviously disagree with.

 

I have not argued against good teams being in the Open Cup, (I phrased it poorly as you suggested,) there are many good teams in the Open Cup, It is my opinion that all of the teams should show the aforementioned traits, and contribute to the success of the Cup instead of just showing up with a good team to be in the playoffs.  I might also add that most of the teams in the playoffs did exactly what they should have, IMO and for that I have a great amount of respect for them.

 

 

 

Those traits are valuable, I just fail to see how they matter in the context of a skill driven competition. Just because something is good doesn't mean that it applies everywhere. 

And I would argue that this competition depended on teams only entering some of the cups. 16 teams move on but only 8 teams get cup points per round. If everyone played every cup we would have 8 teams, not 16 advancing. Because teams only showed for a small amount of cups they gave other teams that would not have been able to make it a shot at some nice gold and great games. 



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I think the problem after reading all the concerns is what happened is by cup5 as many teams werent signing up new. So that left the door open for a new team which happens to be good to get enough points to make the playoffs by playing only one week.The pool of avaiable good teams were down from week 1 to week 5 .I was surpirsed that the numbers by week 5 and over all werent better. Last season before open changed it had 2 divisions if i remeber correctly. Now for whatever reason open barley seemed to fill each week.As to fixing say a team coming in last minute and making it .Not sure you can unless you state they have to have played more then one week.I know when they hold the preseason league tourney thats hard to drop in last mintue cause teams who play all week get more points to win gold over  a team who just played a nite or two.

 

Either way god luck to all the teams and those who make  it look forward to seeing you in bronze.



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Dance,

how long after we file for a roster change does it take?

will we be notified by email?

Thanks



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View PostJoiseyDevL, on Mar 05 2015 - 13:21, said:

Dance,

how long after we file for a roster change does it take?

will we be notified by email?

Thanks

Roster changes will most likely be done on Sunday. I'll shoot the captains a PM after I do it :)



JoiseyDevL #171 Posted Mar 06 2015 - 00:33

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thank you

o7



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Quick question on the format, is it 4 straight victories or 4 sets of victories (attack/defense)?

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View PostMister_Twigs, on Mar 05 2015 - 19:51, said:

Quick question on the format, is it 4 straight victories or 4 sets of victories (attack/defense)?

 

It's first team to secure 4 win's total.... they don't need to be in a row.

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View PostTracker40, on Mar 02 2015 - 10:17, said:

 

Our old Team name was TheNADDtatsic7 we received 6 Points for cup 1 and 4 points for cup 2... Cup 3 round 2 on the Friday 10 minutes before the match was about to start we received sad news about one of our members and stood down and did not play that round. So we did not advance to Round 3 or 4, Cup 4 we were still on edge and did not advance also.

 

We contacted Dance and asked to change the name to honor that member and it was approved, (Thank you Dance)...

so 10 points from old team name and 5 points under new team name make the 15 points. Sorry if this has caused any issues.

 

Our team (Belligerent Tankers Union) played Gary Maxwell Force in Cup 4 IIRC and asked them about the apparent name change in chat, which is when we first heard about this.  Very classy move on their part to honor a team mate, and on WG's to allow the change.  o7 to both, and GL in the playoffs (hope to see you in the finals).

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Yes some of our most fun battles in all the cups were vs BTU....Had to play our best vs you guys.

 

Good Luck to you guys also in the Playoffs o7



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FYI, all roster change request submitted have been processed. Please let me know ASAP if there are any issues :)

 

Teams have until the end of the day today to submit any changes.



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Thanks Dance, went thru

 

the question about 4 wins is still unanswered...

"First to 4 wins"

(Attack/Defense) against the same team, win both, is that one win or two? as in win a round vs. battle

because then its best 4 out of 7 less draws instead of unlimited.



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View PostJoiseyDevL, on Mar 08 2015 - 15:53, said:

Thanks Dance, went thru

 

the question about 4 wins is still unanswered...

"First to 4 wins"

(Attack/Defense) against the same team, win both, is that one win or two? as in win a round vs. battle

because then its best 4 out of 7 less draws instead of unlimited.

 

It's the first to four wins. A team can win four attacks, four defenses, or a combination of the two. Once a team wins 4 battles, it's over. 

 

Does that make sense/answer your question?



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View PostHoffersintx518, on Mar 07 2015 - 09:35, said:

 

Very classy move on their part to honor a team mate, and on WG's to allow the change.  o7 to both, and GL in the playoffs (hope to see you in the finals).

^This

 

Best of luck tonight for all belligerents, especially to those poor souls stuck attacking first (because screw Himmelsdorf when attacking). 

 

On a side note what battles are being streamed and when? Only ask because I would honestly like to see some of the battles I am not involved in. I'm interested in seeing who really performs here in the playoffs.



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Thank you Dance, Crystal clear now

 






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