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4TankersAndDog #1 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 03:58

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The #1 question generated from my previous VSTAB vs. GLD video was, okay then Tankers, but which then should I run after I mount up the VSTAB, should it be GLD or Vents?  

 

It's not an easy question to answer, Vents holistically help everything somewhat, while the GLD is laser focused on only aim time when stationary.  Partly it's a subjective question, because it depends on how much you value all the other skill benefits from the Vents, but I tried my best to at least well quantify what exactly you are choosing between:

 

The short answer if you want to save 16 minutes of your life is:  

While the GLD helps stationary aiming by 10%, the combined improvements from Vents help aiming by about 5%, plus other skill benefits of 2.13%

 

GLD yes helps aim time by a straight up 10% when you are stationary (and preferably your target is too).

 

Vents help by roughly 2% on all of these aiming issues and it adds up to about half of the effect of the GLD:

Size of your fully aimed reticle.

Size of the reticle bloom after firing.

Speed of re-aim.

 

Additionally:

If you are moving, Vents help by 2% while the GLD does nothing.

If you have time to fully aim before firing, Vents will give you a 2% smaller aiming circle, GLD does nothing.

Plus 2.13% on ALL skillsincluding reload and repair speeds, camo and vision, hull rotation and ground resistance, etc.

 

While ultimately it is a subjective choice for your play style and the tanks you drive, I can at least say personally Vents are my standard second piece of equipment after VSTAB (or first if no VSTAB), leaving GLD/Rammer/Vision as is uniquely needed for that particular vehicle's role or weakness in need of fixing.

 

Commence discussion and trolling...  :hiding:

 



AllChatAdvocate #2 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 04:03

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Well done video +1 :great:

LoisSherman13 #3 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 04:07

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For me vert stabs and a rammer is a must on every tank. The third spot goes to vents or optics, and on a couple tanks GLD. 

Edit: Just watched the whole video. Nicely done and thanks for your tests and opinions. 



Billy_The_Butcher #4 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 04:12

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Which tank?

 



DMan360 #5 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 04:20

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Very well done. You have a talent for commentaries. Maybe streaming on Twitch?

ArmoredColossus #6 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 04:25

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I hate to break it to you, but Enhanced Gun Laying Drive does NOT only work when stationary it is in effect when stationary OR moving.

lbgsloan #7 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 04:28

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This is rather interesting actually.  I never really considered that the vents benefit to accuracy, dispersion, and aimtime added up to being about half as good as a GLD while also giving benefits to the rest of the crew.  On tanks that cannot mount a vstab, I've always gone with rammer, GLD, and then either optics or vents (or sometimes binocs for TDs).  For tanks that already have decent base aimtime it might actually be better to pull the GLD and have both vents and optics instead.

 

+1 to you, I will have to think about some tank configurations when the equipment sale comes up.



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Thank you for this video. This has taught me alot about using Vents. +1

DopeRaider #9 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 06:18

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Thanks for taking the time to post this.  Interesting

Urabouttudie #10 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 06:35

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I had done a bunch of configuration testing using Tank Inspector...looking for optimal configs for various tanks using different skill sets and equipment combos.

 

In my anecdotal testing the GLD was the weak link every time and was always better replaced some other way.

 

ymmv



MochaDragon #11 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 22:26

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Thanks for taking the time to put this together, good stuff.

Prima_Vox #12 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 23:07

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First off...excellent production values and well edited.

 

Secondly, really answered a couple of questions I had with some actual testing, and displayed the results.  So much so that I may well do some reconfiguration and testing on my own.

 

Thirdly, what's up with the dog?



Cordtus #13 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 23:13

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I run gld vents and rammer on most of my tanks anyway. Don't know what's up with the hate for vents

 



ballinbadger #14 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 23:27

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View PostCordtus, on Dec 18 2014 - 23:13, said:

I run gld vents and rammer on most of my tanks anyway. Don't know what's up with the hate for vents

 

 

Please tell me you run a vstab on tanks that can. If you don't, start. Also, I don't think anyone hates vents. They're one of the better pieces of equipment. It's just that they're usually the 4th best piece of equipment for a tank. 



Leofl #15 Posted Dec 19 2014 - 00:16

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View Post4TankersAndDog, on Dec 17 2014 - 21:58, said:

 

 

 

If you have time to fully aim before firing, Vents will give you a 2% smaller aiming circle, GLD does nothing.

 

 

 

Since you got this wrong 

10% Reduction in Aim-Time.  - it works ALL the time  

It follows that your conclusions are wrong 



ballinbadger #16 Posted Dec 19 2014 - 00:21

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View PostLeofl, on Dec 19 2014 - 00:16, said:

Since you got this wrong 

10% Reduction in Aim-Time.  - it works ALL the time  

It follows that your conclusions are wrong 

 

Is this sarcasm? 



Niteworks #17 Posted Dec 19 2014 - 00:55

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nice job 

Leofl #18 Posted Dec 19 2014 - 02:14

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 View Postballinbadger, on Dec 18 2014 - 18:21, said:

 

Is this sarcasm? 

 

nope    he is basing  his conclusion on a premise that "If you are moving, Vents help by 2% while the GLD does nothing."   He is wrong GLD is always active 

ballinbadger #19 Posted Dec 19 2014 - 02:22

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View PostLeofl, on Dec 19 2014 - 02:14, said:

 

nope    he is basing  his conclusion on a premise that "If you are moving, Vents help by 2% while the GLD does nothing."   He is wrong GLD is always active 

 

First, that point is basically entirely irrelevant. Second, that point has nothing to do with almost anything he says. Third, he actually does demonstrate in the video if you watched it that GLD DOES work when not sitting still, only the difference was about 1 pixel. Like I said, totally irrelevant. It was an excellent video and I don't see anything he got wrong in a meaningful way. Just in the future, if you want to be anything beyond a partisan hack, try not to look for one tiny detail that isn't exactly right so you can dismiss everything someone says. I know it's a human nature thing to do, but that doesn't make it right. 



Finnegan_Gromyko #20 Posted Mar 29 2016 - 20:46

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Tanking w/ Science is among my favourite WOT video channels, and this post is a good reason why. I underestimated value of vents greatly, and now rethinking that. 

However, I run a lot of TDs, and vents doesn't help there, so obviously my EGLD still makes sense on a T67 for example. 

Similarly, the video on Controlled Impact really impressed me. Thinking about putting that on my Cromwell B both to help ram while scout or arty hunting, and also to protect from other rammers. Watch it, it's a very informative video about Controlled Impact and Spall Liners.






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