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Lert #1 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 10:58

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This video shows an armored car of some design, at 2:32. What nationality and type is it? All I can figure is that it's 'probably russian'. Or 'possibly british, but probably not'. But it's quite a nice design.

 



Muzzle_Maus #2 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 11:33

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BTR-40 from the 1950s

 

http://en.wikipedia....ki/BTR_(vehicle)



Lert #3 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 11:36

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Thanks! The side panels (where the side windows are) look a bit different though, but that could be down to variant differences.

Blackhorse_Six_ #4 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 14:38

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The BTR-40 was a post-war knock-off of the M3 White Scout Car and served in the same role in Soviet regimental reconaissance units.

 

A number of BTR-40s were shipped to the Middle East, Egypt in particular, as a result of the Czech arms deal brokered by the Soviet Union in 1955.

 

The BTR-40 was one the very first ground-force vehicles to be fitted with a Soviet ATGM system.



Gutentag #5 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 19:59

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I thought BTR-152 when I first saw it, but miniature version.

cwjian90 #6 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 20:01

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View PostBlackhorse_Six, on Dec 18 2014 - 08:38, said:

The BTR-40 was a post-war knock-off of the M3 White Scout Car and served in the same role in Soviet regimental reconaissance units.

 

A number of BTR-40s were shipped to Egypt in particular as a result of the Czech arms deal, brokered by the Soviet union in 1955.

 

The BTR-40 was one the very first ground-force vehicles to be fitted with a Soviet ATGM system.

 

It has some superficial resemblance to the White Scout Car, but it was not based on it.

Blackhorse_Six_ #7 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 20:08

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View Postcwjian90, on Dec 18 2014 - 14:01, said:

It has some superficial resemblance to the White Scout Car, but it was not based on it.

 

I didn't specifically say that it was based on the M3.

 

However, the Soviets had a couple hundred Lend-Lease M3s to work from.

 

Prove to me that the BTR-40 was not influenced by the M3 - especially as it filled the very same roles.



cwjian90 #8 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 20:11

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You literally said it was a "post-war knock-off".

Blackhorse_Six_ #9 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 20:16

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View PostGutentag, on Dec 18 2014 - 13:59, said:

I thought BTR-152 when I first saw it, but miniature version.

 

For all intents and purposes, the BTR 152 is an armored ZiS 151 (7-ton?) truck.

 

Picture US Army 5-ton with armor.



Lert #10 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 20:53

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View Postcwjian90, on Dec 18 2014 - 19:11, said:

You literally said it was a "post-war knock-off".

 

And he is correct. Or would you prefer "heavily inspired by"?

fyfmfr #11 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 21:17

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Lert is saddened that a name was found, he was hoping to name it Lertmobile or Grumpycat car

Blackhorse_Six_ #12 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 21:21

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View Postfyfmfr, on Dec 18 2014 - 15:17, said:

Lert is saddened that a name was found, he was hoping to name it Lertmobile or Grumpycat car

 

The vehicle's NATO reporting name is "Lert" ... :P



cwjian90 #13 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 21:24

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View PostLert, on Dec 18 2014 - 14:53, said:

 

And he is correct. Or would you prefer "heavily inspired by"?

 

In the sense that they're both armoured boxes on 4 wheel drives, sure.


Edited by cwjian90, Dec 18 2014 - 21:29.


Lert #14 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 21:34

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In the fact that the russians when they got M3 cars under Lend Lease went like "OMg liek these are teh best evar and so much better than our own carzes" and after the war went like "Let's design something like that!".

cwjian90 #15 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 21:40

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That isn't really how it happened. What happened was that they had this armoured car called the BA-64, which they found would be quite a nice APC if not for the fact it was so cramped. So they had this truck coming into production called the GAZ-63 and they said "why don't we make this into an APC?". Thus, the BTR-40 was born. Now, they may have taken some lessons from the M3 Scout Car, but to say it was just a knock off of the Scout Car is just not true.

Blackhorse_Six_ #16 Posted Dec 18 2014 - 22:09

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To be fair, the primary scout car at the start of the Soviet war was the BA-64, something best described now as an armored Cooper Mini, only smaller.

 

Just enough room for two men, a map, and a bottle of vodka.

 

The map made it a tight squeeze ...



Strv74 #17 Posted Dec 19 2014 - 01:50

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View PostLert, on Dec 18 2014 - 21:34, said:

 

Quite clueless, many trolling. 

 

 



Delicious_Bait #18 Posted Dec 19 2014 - 15:28

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Yup, looks like the predecessor to the BTR-152.

Meplat #19 Posted Dec 20 2014 - 04:10

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View Postcwjian90, on Dec 18 2014 - 13:40, said:

That isn't really how it happened. What happened was that they had this armoured car called the BA-64, which they found would be quite a nice APC if not for the fact it was so cramped. So they had this truck coming into production called the GAZ-63 and they said "why don't we make this into an APC?". Thus, the BTR-40 was born. Now, they may have taken some lessons from the M3 Scout Car, but to say it was just a knock off of the Scout Car is just not true.

 

If they were to outright copy anything, why would it be something as limited as the M3?  Why not base it on the far more numerous Studebaker truck?

 

So yeah.. Short of sticking my head under one and saying "oh yeah it's a copy" based on the M3's I've messed with, I'm going to agree that the resemblance is cosmetic at most.






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