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Shipmaster_Crook #2961 Posted Aug 14 2014 - 02:03

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EMIL 51 has now been completed (finally)

 

Enjoy:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Yes, the mauschen and emil are to scale, mauchen sharing same dimensions as the Maus)

 

So this took longer then it should of for reasons unknown. Played with the color alot to match it the to EMIL 55 prototype hull, aswell as replicating some of the tank clutter off the 55 variant. I hope you enjoy these, if you have any image requests of this tank, just ask ^-^

 

anyways, comments and or opinions?


Edited by Brokenstar, Aug 14 2014 - 02:04.


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here's what im doing now. ARL 44 will be undergoing giganautization process of bahamut-ization after the base model is done



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View PostVollketten, on Aug 13 2014 - 16:17, said:

That is really nice. Can I suggest making the turret hatch swing open instead or atbleast have the option of doing so.

Is that spaced armour all over? Tthe further out it is the more effective it is.

 

I've thought about doing the vertical lift/pivot sort of hatch, but it seems like an excessive complication. Pretty much every modern tank has gone back to simple lift-hatches.

And yes, it's all spaced, 15mm space if I remember right. Just wanted to keep if close, trying to keep turret dimensions compact.

 

Need to remake the hull now: better turret ring, level off the back rather than slope it down. add detail to the driver's compartment, make the hull smaller if possible, etc. Narrow the hull again, want to get back to an idea of ridiculous low ground pressure, like the FV101. Current tracks are 280mm wide, want to make them 350-380mm wide (FV101 tracks are 432mm).

 

Part of it is to make space for a larger turret ring.

 

Also have an idea for another autocannon design: A split breech mechanism akin to that of the M18 or MK20 Mod 0 40mm grenade launchers, feeding 50x330mm Supershot ammunition. Keep the feed mechanism right at the trunnion akin to the CTA. Reasoning for the idea is to minimize turret intrusion of the receiver.



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Seeing a T1 Cunningham in French blue would be just surreal to me. 

sp15 #2965 Posted Aug 14 2014 - 19:31

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View PostBrokenstar, on Aug 14 2014 - 02:03, said:

EMIL 51 has now been completed (finally)

 

Enjoy:

 

(Yes, the mauschen and emil are to scale, mauchen sharing same dimensions as the Maus)

 

So this took longer then it should of for reasons unknown. Played with the color alot to match it the to EMIL 55 prototype hull, aswell as replicating some of the tank clutter off the 55 variant. I hope you enjoy these, if you have any image requests of this tank, just ask ^-^

 

anyways, comments and or opinions?

Brokenstar you are AMAZING!

Thanks for going through the effort to make this, i love it!



Shipmaster_Crook #2966 Posted Aug 14 2014 - 23:05

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View Postsp15, on Aug 14 2014 - 20:31, said:

Brokenstar you are AMAZING!

Thanks for going through the effort to make this, i love it!

Thankyou! I think I might do the S tank next, or the 55 variant of the EMIL, not sure, still deciding.



Giganaut #2967 Posted Aug 15 2014 - 05:28

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WIP 2

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added tracks and wheels

more work on the sides

added turret




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View PostBrokenstar, on Aug 14 2014 - 23:05, said:

Thankyou! I think I might do the S tank next, or the 55 variant of the EMIL, not sure, still deciding.


you know i think it would be nice to get a more clear picture of the 1955 EMIL hull. We have some dimentions for it from 1952 but i think those are not completely correct. We could however get a better idea of the size of the hull from this (  http://tanks.mod16.o...for-krv-03.jpg  ) this is a drawing comparing the shape of the hull aswell as turret ring size with that of the Centurion. Here is another from above (  http://tanks.mod16.o...for-krv-04.jpg  ) so if we can figure out the turret ring diameter and height of the centurion hull at the turret ring we could find out the turret ring diameter and hull height of the 1955 EMIL.

 

other than that the only comparison we have is with a Leopard 2 ARV from this picture 

Here are the 1952 dimentions

 

Length: 6,75m
Width: 3,05m
Height: 2,66m



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View Postsp15, on Aug 15 2014 - 20:19, said:


you know i think it would be nice to get a more clear picture of the 1955 EMIL hull. We have some dimentions for it from 1952 but i think those are not completely correct. We could however get a better idea of the size of the hull from this (  http://tanks.mod16.o...for-krv-03.jpg  ) this is a drawing comparing the shape of the hull aswell as turret ring size with that of the Centurion. Here is another from above (  http://tanks.mod16.o...for-krv-04.jpg  ) so if we can figure out the turret ring diameter and height of the centurion hull at the turret ring we could find out the turret ring diameter and hull height of the 1955 EMIL.

 

other than that the only comparison we have is with a Leopard 2 ARV from this picture 

 

Here are the 1952 dimentions

 

Length: 6,75m
Width: 3,05m
Height: 2,66m

 

The 2 variants are similar enough that I can make the 55 variant based off of looking at the hull pics, which should be sufficient. The only picture that would be nice of the built hull is an above view, if you could find one that would be much amaze. The length increase of this version is more then likely due mostly to the addition of the piked nose, also, it appears from what I can see is the engine deck was extended. Turret wise, I have no idea what to do, If you could highlight details on anything different the turret from the 55 variant has versus the 51 variant, that would be appreciated. 


Edited by Brokenstar, Aug 15 2014 - 23:30.


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View PostBrokenstar, on Aug 15 2014 - 23:30, said:

 

The 2 variants are similar enough that I can make the 55 variant based off of looking at the hull pics, which should be sufficient. The only picture that would be nice of the built hull is an above view, if you could find one that would be much amaze. The length increase of this version is more then likely due mostly to the addition of the piked nose, also, it appears from what I can see is the engine deck was extended. Turret wise, I have no idea what to do, If you could highlight details on anything different the turret from the 55 variant has versus the 51 variant, that would be appreciated. 

so i whent ahead and tried to find the differences in the 1955 "kranvagn" hull and the 1951 draft and this is what i came up with.

 

1: different muzzle break and gun (15cm L/40)
2: cupola is not visible instead only visionports and a periscope? on the right
3: shape of the turret side is different
4: rangefinder on the upper part of the turret cleft
5: rounded and cast magazine
6: much less of the gunmantlet is exposed and the shape is different
7: visionports for the driver
8: Turret front seems to be more rounded and have a larger frontal profile with the sloped sides farther out to the sides
9: the hull now slopes inwards at the bottom
10: the protection for the turret ring now extends from the frontal plate
11: Pikenose has been added to the front
12: the vehicle now has 6 roadwheels instead of five
13: exposed turret ring at the rear?
14: Rear hull sides now slope inwards

 

 

I also modefied these pictures to make the hull shape more visible

Best picture of the top of the hull with a good view of the upper part of the hull

Link to original pic (  http://i.imgur.com/sfRwAOC.jpg  )


Best pic of the rear of the hull, shows exposed turret ring? and inward sloping sides

Link to original pic (  http://i.imgur.com/PmOk0mA.jpg  )

 

EDIT: also i went back to the documents to look at the angles on the hull and turret from the 1952 proposal and this is what i came up with

 

Hull lower plate:
Angle: 38dg
Sloping to the side: 0dg (relavant to turret front and the pikenose)

 

Hull upper plate:
Angle: 25dg
Sloping to the side: 35dg (relavant to turret front and the pikenose)

 

Turret front side plate:
Angle: 44dg
Sloping to the side: 30dg (relavant to turret front and the pikenose)


Turret front middle plate:
Angle: 40dg
Sloping to the side: 0dg (relavant to turret front and the pikenose)


Edited by sp15, Aug 16 2014 - 17:26.


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A while ago i did a line drawing based on what i could see from this picture

 

And i just now compared it with the 1951 draft and this is what i got. turns out that the general hull shape is really simmilar after all (with the pikenose and sloping hull sides at the engine deck and undercarrige)

Edit: i actually think that the slope of the upper rear armor extends all the way to the air intake


Edited by sp15, Aug 16 2014 - 21:54.


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i now also drew a turret with some of the changes, although its mostly speculation

https://i.imgur.com/xU3I5WJ.jpg



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Hmmm, k, so the 52 variant and 55 are completely different tanks? Whats the difference between them? (aside from the number of wheels changing, i see nothing different from what i understand) also, overal dimensions of the 52 variant? the 55 variant as i recall reading is both wider and longer and taller then the 51 version. As for the dimensions of the 52 version, I have no idea. If there is no stats on the 52 version, should i base it off of the dimensions off of the 51 or 55?

 

Side Note, from what I am able to see, the length increase is likely due to the engine deck being extended, given the distance from turret backside to rear of tank appears to be greater.

 

EDIT: K, i see you mentioned the size stats on the 52 a few posts back, however, still, what is the difference between 52 and 55 other then the wheels/suspension?


Edited by Brokenstar, Aug 17 2014 - 18:00.


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View PostBrokenstar, on Aug 17 2014 - 00:59, said:

Hmmm, k, so the 52 variant and 55 are completely different tanks? Whats the difference between them? (aside from the number of wheels changing, i see nothing different from what i understand) also, overal dimensions of the 52 variant? the 55 variant as i recall reading is both wider and longer and taller then the 51 version. As for the dimensions of the 52 version, I have no idea. If there is no stats on the 52 version, should i base it off of the dimensions off of the 51 or 55?

 

Side Note, from what I am able to see, the length increase is likely due to the engine deck being extended, given the distance from turret backside to rear of tank appears to be greater.

 

EDIT: K, i see you mentioned the size stats on the 52 a few posts back, however, still, what is the difference between 52 and 55 other then the wheels/suspension?

Actually the 1952 version is close to the 1955 version and they both have 6 roadwheels (later 4 roadwheels were removed from the 1955 prototype to simulate the S-tank suspension) unlike the 1951 version which only has five. Currently we dont know much about the actually constructed hull from 1955 except that its turret ring diameter is a bit over 187cm in diameter and therefore the size of the vehicle has been based on its 1952 planned version which was reffered to as Alt E3. There were however two other smaller versions planned during 1952 but the third model was chosen.

 

What this means is that from what we know from 1952 documents is being applied to fill the gap of knowledge on the 1955 prototype even if it might not be 100% accurate. And thats why i posted the 1952 dimentions earlier, and here they are again:

Length: 6,75m
Width: 3,05m
Height: 2,66m

I want to point out that the model with the turret is from a unknown year but mostly corresponds with the 1955 prototype except with possibly the sides being a bit taller and the lack of idler wheels.



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okay, a different turret ring size doesnt really help me in any regard, :/, so, what exactly do you want me to make? Should I primarily base it off of the 55 hull and your sketched turret changes and/or the model of it?

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I have been busy with other things, so I haven't really had any 3ds Max time, though unless my CAD teacher decides to give me a lot of work the first week, I should be able to start back up on the STRV A.  Only have the basic hull laid out ATM.

 

Here's a good ref for the E-50 and E-75 suspension for me never posting stuff:

Spoiler

 


Edited by ApplesauceBandit, Aug 18 2014 - 03:38.


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View PostApplesauceBandit, on Aug 18 2014 - 10:37, said:

I have been busy with other things, so I haven't really had any 3ds Max time, though unless my CAD teacher decides to give me a lot of work the first week, I should be able to start back up on the STRV A.  Only have the basic hull laid out ATM.

 

Here's a good ref for the E-50 and E-75 suspension for me never posting stuff:

Spoiler

 

why have i forgotten about this system? i want to try to use these on my vehicles

 



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View PostCrookedstar_, on Aug 18 2014 - 00:39, said:

okay, a different turret ring size doesnt really help me in any regard, :/, so, what exactly do you want me to make? Should I primarily base it off of the 55 hull and your sketched turret changes and/or the model of it?

i think the ideal situation would be to try to use the hull of the 1955 prototype but with the turret of the model. my turret proposal was just a impression of how it could look. you should focus on replicating what you can see on the model wherever possible when it comes to the turret.

anyhow i want to apologise for not responding sooner



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View Postsp15, on Aug 19 2014 - 17:23, said:

i think the ideal situation would be to try to use the hull of the 1955 prototype but with the turret of the model. my turret proposal was just a impression of how it could look. you should focus on replicating what you can see on the model wherever possible when it comes to the turret.

anyhow i want to apologise for not responding sooner

 

Quite Allright, I was busy play werld of tonks anyways. As fer the suspension, I just give it 6 road wheels and remove the top wheels that lift the track off the road wheels? (not sure what they are called)

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Edited by Crookedstar_, Aug 19 2014 - 16:34.


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Just a prelude, but this is the turret ring size difference between the EMIL 51 and the EMIL 55, (should i be calling it the Kranvagn? sp15?)

 






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