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Bronirovannyy #21 Posted Jan 02 2015 - 01:10

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View PostWalter_Sobchak, on Jan 01 2015 - 16:48, said:

I looked up Terry Gander on Amazon.  I noticed that his book "Modern Royal Airforce Aircraft" has a price range of $2.91 on the low end and $6,943.86 on the high end.  Sometimes I wonder if these third party book deals smoke crack while making up prices. 

 

When they put it so high it's because they're out of stock and they don't want anyone to buy the out stock item.



Dominatus #22 Posted Jan 04 2015 - 15:20

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View PostLegiondude, on Jan 01 2015 - 03:41, said:

Not sure, trying to dig up where I could have gotten such information but it doesn't appear to be on my laptop and it was still marked as "blank" on my original offline copy

This was brought up the last time too, and I'm not sure what exactly came of it.

 

Also, 110 should be foreign design.



Legiondude #23 Posted Jan 04 2015 - 15:31

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View PostDominatus, on Jan 04 2015 - 08:20, said:

Also, 110 should be foreign design.

How so? It's not exactly an IS-2



Dominatus #24 Posted Jan 04 2015 - 15:53

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View PostLegiondude, on Jan 04 2015 - 09:31, said:

How so? It's not exactly an IS-2

If you look at the blueprints, they're in Russian. So....

I was talking Can a while back who says he thinks they just threw it into the Chinese tree to fill a gap, as well.


Edited by Dominatus, Jan 04 2015 - 15:53.


Legiondude #25 Posted Jan 04 2015 - 16:18

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Okay, done

 

Also since bright red wasn't working too well on the 110's orange, the Foreign indicator has been changed to a much darker color. Still a bit hard to see on the orange, but at least it's noticeable



Life_In_Black #26 Posted Jan 04 2015 - 20:43

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View PostDominatus, on Jan 04 2015 - 09:53, said:

If you look at the blueprints, they're in Russian. So....

I was talking Can a while back who says he thinks they just threw it into the Chinese tree to fill a gap, as well.

 

Come to think of it, the 110 does look quite a bit like the Object 730....

Legiondude #27 Posted Jan 04 2015 - 22:05

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View PostLife_In_Black, on Jan 04 2015 - 13:43, said:

 

Come to think of it, the 110 does look quite a bit like the Object 730....

It's the IS-2U



hoom #28 Posted Jan 06 2015 - 22:50

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Not sure how it'd be done but can I suggest a couple of extra data:

Saw Combat -there are several prototypes that saw combat & a bunch of peacetime production that didn't.

 

Historical Top Config/Gun -some tanks have historical config as their top gear, others have test setups that were not implemented in production (some because it wasn't a practical setup, others were workable but not proceeded with due to other reasons).



cwjian90 #29 Posted Jan 06 2015 - 22:58

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View PostLegiondude, on Jan 04 2015 - 16:05, said:

It's the IS-2U

 

It's the IS-2U with a completely fictional T-10M turret, which was never sold to China

Slakrrrrrr #30 Posted Jan 28 2015 - 18:05

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Just a small detail I wanted to comment on:

 

The in-game Tiger (P), with it's additional 100mm of frontal armor, did exist as a single vehicle, with the name "Panzerbefehlswagen VI (P)". This technically makes it a "functioning prototype", but with the namesake of the limited production vehicle that it is based off of.

 

Spoiler

 

Source: Panzerkampfwagen VI P by Thomas Jentz and Hilary Doyle.


Edited by Slakrrrrrr, Jan 28 2015 - 18:06.


hoom #31 Posted Jan 28 2015 - 21:09

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I thought there were 2 of those not 1?

 

Hmm, twin HL120TRM, thats a 440hp single engine ingame, so the current ingame 2* Porsche 100/3 at 670hp is both unhistoric & underpowered. (I guess loses some hp from the conversion to electricity but would it be that much?)

Also seems Ferdinand had twin HL120TRMs. Maybe Porsche 100/3 is the designation for full powerplant including the electric drive?



Legiondude #32 Posted Jan 28 2015 - 21:26

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View Posthoom, on Jan 28 2015 - 14:09, said:

I thought there were 2 of those not 1?

There was one vehicle witheld for testing purposes through 1943 by WaPreuf 6 and eventually given to Panzerjaegerabteilung 653 for the Summer 1944 operations

 

Though there were at least 5-8 completed Porsche Tigers before the Ferdinand conversions began

 

View Posthoom, on Jan 28 2015 - 14:09, said:

Hmm, twin HL120TRM, thats a 440hp single engine ingame, so the current ingame 2* Porsche 100/3 at 670hp is both unhistoric & underpowered. (I guess loses some hp from the conversion to electricity but would it be that much?)

Also seems Ferdinand had twin HL120TRMs. Maybe Porsche 100/3 is the designation for full powerplant including the electric drive?

The twin HL 120's go under Type 100/1, which gets historic gross horsepower from each engine

 

However if you want to learn more about how overbuffed the Porsche engines are in WoT, talk to Captain_Nemo



hoom #33 Posted Jan 28 2015 - 22:55

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Block Quote

 The twin HL 120's go under Type 100/1

 

Okies :)

Legiondude #34 Posted May 19 2015 - 14:30

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How should I rank the Japanese Tiger?

cwjian90 #35 Posted May 19 2015 - 14:38

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Functioning prototype, I guess

cashdash #36 Posted May 19 2015 - 16:27

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View PostLegiondude, on May 19 2015 - 08:30, said:

How should I rank the Japanese Tiger?

 

Weeaboo wet dream.

 

Or functional prototype, either will work.



Legiondude #37 Posted Jul 12 2015 - 02:52

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Never noticed that Xbox had added quite a few unique vehicles

Tied #38 Posted Jul 12 2015 - 06:40

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As in exclusive to their platform? 

 

*stealthy blows dust out of his 360*


Edited by Tied, Jul 12 2015 - 06:40.


Legiondude #39 Posted Jul 12 2015 - 07:05

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View PostTied, on Jul 12 2015 - 00:40, said:

As in exclusive to their platform? 

 

*stealthy blows dust out of his 360*

Most of em are just skins of existing tanks

 

But we haven't seen the T-34-88 or the AMX Chaffee yet



SoukouDragon #40 Posted Jul 12 2015 - 10:44

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Just a little something, for some of the Japanese heavies, it cannot be confirmed exactly how far the O-I was developed. It is likely that the O-I (O-I 120 in WoT) reached functioning prototype status but it can't be confirmed. Or whether or not the heavy tank design that had running trials was indeed the Mi-To 150 ton drawing (personally I think 130 is scribbled on the drawing, not 150). Japanese materials all say that the Mi-To was supposed to have a 105mm cannon and yet Dai noticed that the blue print drawings show what looks like the Type 96 15cm cannon. And there's no date on the profile drawings.

 

So since the Mi-Ti 150 and the O-I 120 are representing the actually developed tanks, since their status cannot be directly confirmed, there is the possibility of error in our understanding. It's probably a good idea to distinguish tanks with an error possibility from tanks that have clearly revealing sources about their development history.

 

A way to indicate the absence of very definitive sources for a giving tank could be to add a small mark/letter within the color box of the tank. Something like below.

 

 

The Type 2604 and Type 2605 probably should also have such markers as the mere existence of such projects is on shaky legs. There's no Japanese source indicating these two heavies. The Russian report might be intelligence about the O-I and not developments coming after the O-I. We don't know enough technical knowledge about the O-I to contrast it with the Russian report. The picture of the big turret with two Russian soldiers is not necessarily from any super heavy tank. It's possible that it is but also possible that it is not.

 

The tier 5 Mi-To should probably be giving the dark red. Or if the tier 5 Mi-To was to represent the prototype that underwent running testing, than it should be yellow green and consequently the Tier 6 Mi To 150 should be red (native paper concept).


Edited by SoukouDragon, Jul 12 2015 - 10:49.





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