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Poll: Main battle tanks (125 members have cast votes)

What is the best main battle tank? (overall)

  1. M1A2 Abrams - American main battle tank (54 votes [43.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.20%

  2. Leopard 2 - German main battle tank (34 votes [27.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.20%

  3. AMX LeClerc - French main battle tank (6 votes [4.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.80%

  4. T-90 - Russian main battle tank (24 votes [19.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.20%

  5. Merkava - Isreali main battle tank (7 votes [5.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.60%

If YOU were in one, which would it be?

  1. M1A2 Abrams - American main battle tank (59 votes [47.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.20%

  2. Leopard 2 - German main battle (24 votes [19.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.20%

  3. AMX LeClerc - French main battle tank (5 votes [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

  4. T-90 - Russian main battle tank (19 votes [15.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.20%

  5. Merkava - Isreali main battle tank (18 votes [14.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.40%

Simply so poll isn't biased...

  1. Bacon (71 votes [56.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.80%

  2. Tocino (7 votes [5.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.60%

  3. No bacon (19 votes [15.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.20%

  4. EL BACON BACON BACON BACON CON BACON! (28 votes [22.40%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.40%

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Mechanize #101 Posted May 09 2015 - 03:13

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View PostCrashbotUS, on May 08 2015 - 18:57, said:

He has shown his brilliance in the assault rifle thread as well. 

 

I noticed, he may just be the forums new Brock7142!

Donward #102 Posted May 09 2015 - 03:15

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Now that Brock7142 got devoured by a bear on Fort Lewis.

SirCampALotNOR #103 Posted May 09 2015 - 11:09

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Please dont scare him away, people. Its my birthday and I want more rambling as my present. 

railer1999 #104 Posted Jun 02 2015 - 18:16

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What about the TK-X and the K2 Black Panther?

collimatrix #105 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 21:57

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Why, what about them?

Carde #106 Posted Jun 30 2015 - 06:13

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My grandfather was the lead engineer for the M1, so I'm a bit biased:)

tankV #107 Posted Jul 13 2015 - 20:15

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T14 Armata? Type 99 and uh I think those MBTs are missing, And the Japanese one and don't froget the Polish MBT.

Edited by tankV, Jul 13 2015 - 20:15.


bossmanmj #108 Posted Jul 13 2015 - 20:55

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Leo 2A6 sees M1A2 first and scores first round hit because of better optics. War games in Texas back in 2007/08 showed that the Canadian Leopards were seeing the Abrams first and scoring kills which annoyed the Americans to no end.


 

Somebody don't like the truth


Edited by bossmanmj, Jul 13 2015 - 22:19.


Tied #109 Posted Jul 15 2015 - 12:07

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Leopard 1's knocking out Abrams?

 

Man, i would be less worried about my e-pen and more concerned with telling Chrysler that America's primary Main Battle tank can be defeated by a gun from 1959

 

I mean, its not like an L-7 would bounce harmlessly off a Abram's as it would anything as armored as an East German T-72 and the Abram's would spot it and cut through its armor like butter 

 

or maybe its one of Canada's 16 Leopard 2a6s, in that case im sure they can totally take the ~5,000 American Abrams in service 


Edited by Tied, Jul 15 2015 - 12:17.


AssaultPlazma #110 Posted Jul 15 2015 - 14:48

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lol@ ppl who think some random cases of lower end tanks killing an Abrams in some Exercises means anything....  Its always about training and tactics 

Edited by AssaultPlazma, Jul 15 2015 - 14:49.


bossmanmj #111 Posted Jul 15 2015 - 15:25

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I was going off memory, and I've been searching the Lord Strathcona's archives online to pin down a more exact year and it's probably 2009/10.

@Tied it wasn't the Leo 1s, it was the 2A6s while in Fort Bliss Texas preparing for rotation to Afghanistan.

@AssaultPlazma, during my time in the Canadian Forces, Leo 1s from Lord Strathcona's Horse (RC) (Red Force) during Rendezvous 92 (a divisional level exercise, the last one ever I think) did hand a beating during a week long Ex to the M1's of the 194 Separate Armored Brigade out of Fort Knox (at the time) and Cougars from 12 RBC from Valcartier (Blue Force). So bad in fact, they had to restart the Ex after 18 hours because Red Force pushed Blue Force back half way across Wainwright Training Area. Yes it was an exercise, and in this case the tactics (at least) were with the reds, but I'm sure a 105 into the [edited]of an Abrams at 300m will still hurt.



AssaultPlazma #112 Posted Jul 15 2015 - 15:33

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Yeah I get it bossmanmj my point is the double standard against the US. Abrams gets beat in some obscure Exercise hurr derp Abrams bad, yet if you say something like oh I dont know T-72 is a awful due because of the mauling they recieved in Desert Storm everyone would flame you down. (Yes I know why they get beaten so badly in ODS and no the T-72 is not a bad tank)

bossmanmj #113 Posted Jul 15 2015 - 15:41

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Understood Plasma. I'm not saying the M1 is a bad tank, in fact I think far from it. It's just 2nd best in my books now just because the Leo 2A6 has better optics.

sy_r #114 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 20:50

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View PostAngryPitSnipe, on Jan 27 2015 - 19:12, said:

The M1A2 is the best MBT in the world in every category except fuel consumption.  It is the only one of the above listed with depleted Uranium mixed in with it's composite armor scheme. The blowout panels are the best in the world bar none. If you want to win/survive  a tank battle, this is the tank you want to be in, now, and for at least the next ten years. 

 

What about the fact that Abrams is easy to incite the Board with a simple RPG-7?

sy_r #115 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 20:58

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View PostTied, on Jul 15 2015 - 12:07, said:

Leopard 1's knocking out Abrams?

 

Man, i would be less worried about my e-pen and more concerned with telling Chrysler that America's primary Main Battle tank can be defeated by a gun from 1959

 

I mean, its not like an L-7 would bounce harmlessly off a Abram's as it would anything as armored as an East German T-72 and the Abram's would spot it and cut through its armor like butter 

 

or maybe its one of Canada's 16 Leopard 2a6s, in that case im sure they can totally take the ~5,000 American Abrams in service 

У Т-72 дальность стрельбы слабовата. А вот РПГ самое то для городских и пригородных боев. Абрамс только для открытой местности. и то того и гляди чтобы в борта и корму не зашли.

The T-72 firing range is weak. But RPG the for urban and suburban fighting. Abrams only for the open area, and then, and look to the sides and rear are not logged in.



sy_r #116 Posted Apr 08 2017 - 21:13

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The best tan is a tank, which is administered by trained crew. Knowing weaknesses of the enemy. And defending their homeland. There is much talk about technical advantages. But read the historical facts about Kolobanova. The battle of Prokhorovka.

railer1999 #117 Posted Aug 13 2017 - 09:07

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ok. So no mentions of the K2 Black Panther or the Armata?

Abramsgunner_19K20 #118 Posted Sep 29 2017 - 18:45

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I like both the Abrams and the Leo 2 variants... with a slight edge given to the Abrams due to a decade of developement in a combat environment.  The best way to find your bugs and weaknesses is to use it....   the issues will show themselves soon enough.   Leo's have been in combat, but I don't think to the same degree as the Abrams.

 

Number of vehicles destroyed is not a good measure...  modern guns eat modern armor... period.  If you can be seen, you can be killed.    In ODS, Abrams' 120mm didn't have any problems cutting through Abrams' armor. 

 

I believe the real measure is how well the platform lets the crew postion the gun and put rounds on target across all battlefield conditions.    Firecontrol, communications, field durability, crew comfort (i.e. lessening fatigue),  ease of repair,  etc, etc.

 

 

Side note:  The only current Leo 2 I've had the opportunity to spend any time with was a current Canadian model...   There was a full mesh screen dividing the gunner and TC from the loaders side of the turret.... I didn't like that at all.  As a gunner, there were too many instances where I wanted to swap seats with the loader, or times when I would load a round and then jump down in the gunner's seat.  Not to mention I have developed a bit of clostrophobia in my old age and being so confined freaked me out a bit  (never felt that way in a turret when I was younger).



Systemrename190 #119 Posted Oct 03 2017 - 00:55

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Everyone says 'Abram's is best MBT', it's because of 'Mericain bias, Leopard 2 and Aram's are basically the same tank, but Leopard 2 is better because of a bigger cannon, and lower profile. Say "Leopard 2" next time.




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