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dEsTurbed1 #21 Posted Jan 30 2015 - 05:06

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View PostMikosah, on Jan 29 2015 - 21:39, said:

You could make a similar accusation about the Type 59, which is also a premium tank that is statistically strong and has limited MM as well. Those things used to be everywhere, you couldn't get into a tier 8 match without one. So how popular are they now? Still just as strong, but most of the players who bought them in the past have wandered off to play other games. Seeing one is quite the novelty these days.

The whole reason I bought a much un-uneeded E25 was because of how great my Type 59 is.



Serjrocks #22 Posted Jan 30 2015 - 05:15

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It's not OP. I know, its pretty much annoying having someone invisible shooting you every 2 and a half seconds, but, deal with it, repos, backup, dont stay alone in the open. Usually when ppl don't know how to deal with a situation they call the tank OP, but remove the E25 camo and will last what? Pretty much nothing.
Low pen, low alpha and no armour, just some lucky bounces not very often.

DemonsofRazgriz #23 Posted Jan 30 2015 - 05:17

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No

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View PostNuclearPhantom, on Jan 30 2015 - 13:17, said:

Hi. I'm NuclearPhantom and I'm just an average joe WoT player who is really getting sick and tired of E25 tank destroyers wrecking my team every match I go into. The sheer amount of ridiculous overpowered-ness that the E25 possesses is absolutely stupid. The rate of fire and accuracy of the gun is already ridiculous and combined with a gun rammer and laying drive make it even more op, plus it's small, very maneuverable AND doesn't get seen when firing?? That's really broken in my opinion. Compared to the Russian SU-122-44, which also has a good rate of fire gun with nice damage, but it isn't nearly as accurate, longer to aim and the tank is a bigger target. The AT15A British tank destroyer has a very nice gun on it and nice armor, however it's very slow and prone to flanking fire. I'm very happy that at least the E25 got removed from the shop and the ingame tech tree, but that doesn't keep them from being op. I have attached a screenshot of my last match in my Jagdpanzer IV. That E25 wiped out my most of my team. This is what happens every match I go into that involves that tank. Something has to be done about this.

 

shot_112.jpg

its not the E25 that is OP, or even the player (he isnt, he only avgs 800 dmg in the E25), its just your team was woeful.

 

 



PUNISHER989 #25 Posted Jan 30 2015 - 12:37

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Saw the heading, came here to have a laugh at a bad stats players shouting nerf at the e25,

 



Trumpetah #26 Posted Jan 30 2015 - 12:56

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Should have bought it when you had the chance, OP.

Zythalin #27 Posted Jan 30 2015 - 14:15

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Some people are starting to foolishly consider the E-25 to be more stronk than SU-122-44. Stalin dissaproves!

 

Stalin has two reasonable demands for these capitalists.

 

- The German vehicle should be nerfed into oblivion

- The SU-122-44 mantlet should recieve an extra layer of Stalin's moustache to compensate for the insult

 

You have until next moon or the Siberian bear wrestler Putin will intervene.



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OK, Pavel ive got an idea for a stronk tank to throw those silly Germans a bone.
**takes a toke
Ok, this tank will be the size and speed of an ELC, but have 800 HP.  It will have a 200 alpha machine gun, and a cloaking device.  Of course, its a fairy tale tank but people would buy it.  Can you imagine a tank only 4ft tall with 360 ft view range, ha!
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Yuri, you're hilarious when you're stoned, we should tell Serb, he'd want to sell it for gold.

TsarCidron #29 Posted Feb 14 2015 - 04:15

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Nerf a premium..  Yeah, goodluck with that.  They did it..  didnt turn out well.  Not likely to happen again.

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View PostArchaic_One, on Feb 13 2015 - 22:10, said:

OK, Pavel ive got an idea for a stronk tank to throw those silly Germans a bone.
**takes a toke
Ok, this tank will be the size and speed of an ELC, but have 800 HP. It will have a 200 alpha machine gun, and a cloaking device. Of course, its a fairy tale tank but people would buy it. Can you imagine a tank only 4ft tall with 360 ft view range, ha!
**takes another toke
Yuri, you're hilarious when you're stoned, we should tell Serb, he'd want to sell it for gold.

 

Where can I get an E-25 with 200 alpha? Mine only has 135 alpha.View range is nothing special either, for a tier 7 TD.

Dmxiscool #31 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 09:05

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I'll be honest with you all. Calling someone out for being a bad player does not help you stand. So far, I think NuclearPhantom is right, more or less because there is no logical argument made against him. If you can do that, I'll change my mind. I also believe the E-25 needs a nerf, but I have specific ideas for it. Also, there's one in every game I'm in, they didn't remove it, they only made it harder to get, and now since they're just giving them away for free, then I think they need a bit of rebalancing. Now, I did say I wanted it nerfed, but I need to appeal to the other side as well. So, I've compiled a list on what to do about it.

 

Let's get this out of the way first, there needs to be a few things changed with this thing. Some for the good, some for the bad.

SUGGESTED NERFS:

- Size increase (A little bit bigger, making it the height of a Hetzer, still small, but much easier to hit)

- Rate of fire decrease (20.86 to 18, still a very good 2430 damage per minute.)

- Accuracy Decrease (.29 to .33)

- Aim time nerf (1.44 to 1.7, still very good, but a little harder to snap-shot targets)

- Speed Nerf (65 to 60kph)

- Traverse Speed Nerf (44 to 40 degrees per second)

- View Range Nerf (360 to 340)

- Premium matchmaking removed, so it can now see T9 games.

Now I know what you're thinking. "Why do you want to put the E-25 into T9 games? It will be garbage there!"
Well, I have a list of buffs for this vehicle so it can actually do something in those games as well.

SUGGESTED BUFFS:

- Ammo capacity increase (60 to 80 shells)

- Penetration Increase (150 to 175)

- Health increase (830 to 880 HP, so it doesn't die that much faster)

(IF SIZE IS INCREASED):

- Armor increase (50/30/30 to 70/45/45)

- Gun elevation/Depression increase (15 to 18 degrees elevation, 8 to 10 degrees of gun depression.)

- Gun traverse increased (12/12 to 15/15)

 

This way, we have more of a compromise between each other. There's no more cocaine rocket-pods of brokenness that was the old E-25, but now the E-25 requires a bit more skill to play, and it may even be able to be reintroduced with the new statistics it has.

 

 



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E-25 was supposedly removed from the premium shop as an alternative to nerfing the tank. Now if they did both, then wth? They're practically giving it away this month so I'm sure there will be more of them rolling around in the not too distant future, which doesn't really make sense to me since we were given the above logic for its removal from the gift shop. With more E-25's in the mix then nerf could become something on WG's mind...in which case I'd have to agree with what someone stated months ago in this thread. I bought my E-25 a long time ago, while it was still available in the gift shop, paid real money for it, no missions to get it free. So...nerf it...offer a refund or gold please, like they did with the Super P when they took its super powers away. 

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View PostDmxiscool, on Sep 12 2015 - 08:05, said:

- Accuracy Decrease (.29 to .33)

- Aim time nerf (1.44 to 1.7, still very good, but a little harder to snap-shot targets)

 

 

Why wouldn't it get an aim time and accuracy buff over the stug 3 G at tier 5? It's a tier 7, higher tiers always get better stats for the guns.

View PostDmxiscool, on Sep 12 2015 - 08:05, said:

 

- Penetration Increase (150 to 175)

- Health increase (830 to 880 HP, so it doesn't die that much faster)

 

Then stug, german meds, jpz 4 etc. every tank having the L/70 would get the 175 pen.

 

50 hp increase is hardly anything... 

 

View PostDmxiscool, on Sep 12 2015 - 08:05, said:

 

Now I know what you're thinking. "Why do you want to put the E-25 into T9 games? It will be garbage there!"

175 pen and a bit of ammo/useless armor/hp increase is not worth removing the pref MM. It's like adding 10mm of armor to KV-5s R2D2 but removing the pref MM for that.

 

There's a reason why most people don't run 122 on the SU-152 with 175 pen, it's garbage against higher tiers.



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Whiners gonna whine.

Consider this the OFFICIAL "WAAAAAAH!... that mean little E-25 touched my private place !!!" thread.

 

E-25 is fine.  No nerfs or buffs needed.  Get one of your own and IF you are yellow or orange or red and you are super good in your E-25, THEN you can complain that the tank is OP.



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View PostNuclearPhantom, on Jan 29 2015 - 21:17, said:

Hi. I'm NuclearPhantom and I'm just an average joe WoT player who is really getting sick and tired of E25 tank destroyers wrecking my team every match I go into. The sheer amount of ridiculous overpowered-ness that the E25 possesses is absolutely stupid. The rate of fire and accuracy of the gun is already ridiculous and combined with a gun rammer and laying drive make it even more op, plus it's small, very maneuverable AND doesn't get seen when firing?? That's really broken in my opinion. Compared to the Russian SU-122-44, which also has a good rate of fire gun with nice damage, but it isn't nearly as accurate, longer to aim and the tank is a bigger target. The AT15A British tank destroyer has a very nice gun on it and nice armor, however it's very slow and prone to flanking fire. I'm very happy that at least the E25 got removed from the shop and the ingame tech tree, but that doesn't keep them from being op. I have attached a screenshot of my last match in my Jagdpanzer IV. That E25 wiped out my most of my team. This is what happens every match I go into that involves that tank. Something has to be done about this.

 

shot_112.jpg

 

 

 

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Edited by santosair, Sep 12 2015 - 20:38.


Lapdog1 #36 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 20:46

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One team usually gets better than the others "RNG". I have also experienced a few matches where I received God mode "RNG". Steel Wall, Top Gun, High Caliber etc. Sometimes a player gets ridiculous buffs. If the player is able to take advantage of this situation falls on playstyle.

 

Wasn't E-25 taken off of sale, never to be seen again, a while back because of producing too good of numbers? Nice to see that WG is true to their word. Total [edited].



MetalEatingMonster #37 Posted Sep 13 2015 - 10:55

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Pretty sure it was said that the E25 model was smaller then it really should be but that they would not be fixing it.

Engage_Donuts #38 Posted Sep 13 2015 - 16:27

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Nerf! You can't handle the nerf.

Son, we live in a world that has computers, and those computers have to be guarded by men with tanks. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Phantom,? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the OP E-25, and you curse the WOTs that made it. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That an E-25 nerf, while tragic, probably saved tomatoes. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want an E-25 in your garage, you need an E-25 in your garage. We use words like snip, camo, stat padding. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending stats. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of pub match victorys that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a E-25, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.


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How is this still an issue, the damn e25 is a menace in every tier it sees. Furthermore, there is no way to purchase the tank anymore. In the state that it is now, this tank needs to go! 

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View PostPreddy_, on Sep 12 2015 - 13:34, said:

Whiners gonna whine.

Consider this the OFFICIAL "WAAAAAAH!... that mean little E-25 touched my private place !!!" thread.

 

E-25 is fine.  No nerfs or buffs needed.  Get one of your own and IF you are yellow or orange or red and you are super good in your E-25, THEN you can complain that the tank is OP.

Impossible to earn unless it is in a future clan wars event I don't see it coming back very easily unless wg is strapped for cash. Hmm didn't realize how old this post was well anyway E-25 needs to at least get a size buff a slight one to historic size 






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