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Poll: skill based matchmaker? (105 members have cast votes)

Do you want it?

  1. Yes (15 votes [14.29%])

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2127Faerthereaper #1 Posted Feb 18 2015 - 22:17

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I looked at the victory conditions for skirmishes 7 and 8 and now they use skill based mm to decide brackets and group stages.

So wg is allowing bad players to play only bad players in tournaments, effectively cutting out good players from the gold they could earn because they only fought other good teams instead of fighting RANDOM TEAMS. This is effectively not allowing us to have fair matches anymore because they are setup to make players ONLY FIGHT PEOPLE OF THE SAME SKILL.

Yes you can argue that if you are good then you should still win, however why do i only have to fight teams that win a lot when others in "not as good teams"  face teams that only lose a lot? Please fix this and make it random.

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Edited by 2127Faerthereaper, Feb 18 2015 - 22:22.


Fulcrous #2 Posted Feb 18 2015 - 22:22

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'skill based mm' for tournaments is utterly stupid. Honestly should be round-robin brackets like any competitive game.

PayneCakes #3 Posted Feb 18 2015 - 22:25

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Now if only they could do skill based MM in pubs >.>

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Theaty #4 Posted Feb 18 2015 - 22:26

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No. This is a very similar issue as skill based MM for random battles.

 

Why punish good play by giving you much harder opponents? Next thing we know there's going to be rerolls that just suicide in pubs so they can farm golds against easy teams because of stats in tourneys. 

 

Also stats don't always reflect tourney performance...i've had several unicums that played well in their tanks in pubs but play like trash in tourneys. Also groups that always play together tend to do much better than a bunch of better players that just got together for that one tourney. 

 

On a sidenote...if you want really highly competitive play go make a WGLNA team and go up the ranks...that'll give you plenty of competition with no random average pubbies. 



WallyWiff #5 Posted Feb 18 2015 - 22:28

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Yea, honestly this is stupid that they would do this in to competitive play. Basically what there doing is allowing the bad teams that just barely made it into the alpha bracket, have amazingly easy brackets to play giving them 5k gold which they don't deserve. Bad players shouldn't be awarded gold for sucking less than the other teams. Plus this new system could be easily broken by purposely sucking out and then making the margin with a good team and then just stomping brain dead red player teams for an easy 5k. 

Kawaii_Anime_Girl #6 Posted Feb 18 2015 - 22:34

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This type of seeding would make sense if the rewards were still proportional to skill. As it stands now they are not.

RookieMoose #7 Posted Feb 18 2015 - 22:45

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This new skill based MM opens of a can of worms in the area of rank and placement planning during the tourney.  Some teams may consider purposely losing matches so that you can guarantee playing lesser skilled teams on day 2 and day 3.   The best teams will go for all the wins, middle of the road teams will learn NOT to place first on day 1 else they play Purples on day two.

 

Basically, tourney rankings have now become more predictable (because top teams playoff against each other and one of them has to loose).  Teams can now plan to place in certain advantageous spots  Seasoned teams will gauge the field strength and play so that they place in a good spot for the next night of matches.  The goal is to either jump up ranking on day 3 or drop to near the bottom so that you are guaranteed an easy playoff stage on the weekend.

 

Smart teams will figure out how to FARM gold from the new system.

 

Sweat spot for good teams may be to win 4/7 games on Mon, 6/7 games on Tues, and then try to win 7/7 on Wednesday to just sneak into Top 10%.  

 

 



MEGUSTAPOW #8 Posted Feb 18 2015 - 23:16

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Let the players who deserve to win get the gold, if people are poor players, let them suffer.

Jundaku #9 Posted Feb 18 2015 - 23:41

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If you want skilled based MM in tournaments then do WGLNA.  Skirmishes should be random so everyone can have a fair chance and good players will be rewarded.  You shouldn't punish good players and reward people who don't.  

realflight6 #10 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 00:03

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why don't they use the skill based matchmaking, but have separate brackets for each skill level? that way each side gets a  *fair* shot.

urnotpaul #11 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 00:10

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it amazes me how wargaming make the game easier for bad players all the time yet they manage to get worse.

Moguai #12 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 00:14

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I agree. "Skill" Based" seeding in the Group Stages has no place in the skirmishes. They have 2 skirmish tournaments (alpha / bravo) already that separate many of your good teams from many of the not so good teams. And as mentioned above the possibility of match rigging is enormous.

 

With these new rules a tournament that has 10 playoff brackets will now have 3 good team winners 4 Mid-Grade team winners and 3 Subpar team winners which defiantly is not a fair competition as the best teams are not winning.

 

 



ilude47 #13 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 01:22

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Why have something that isn't "Only the strong survive" when that's been Wargaming's format all along. We would love skill based MM in strongholds, how about putting it there plz.

A_Fuzzy_Velociraptor #14 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 02:19

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I don't have an issue with the idea of performance based seeding. However their implementation of it is utterly retarded (though that isn't surprising given wargamings terrible history of seeding). 

 

 

If they were going to do a performance based seeding they should do the following.

After the first day divide the set into 8 groups where group 1 is the top 1/8, group 2 is the second 1/8, group three the third 1/8 and so on. Then take one team from each group for the set for the group stage. This would have it so there would be a team from the top 1/8, the second 1/8, the third 1/8, and so on until there are eight teams in each group.

 

Having the top teams play the top teams and compare them to how the lesser teams do against lesser teams and declare the winners of each set to be roughly equal. The skirmish is broken down into alpha and bravo for that reason in the same way that league is broken into open, bronze, silver, and gold.



Theaty #15 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 05:31

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Guess the skill based MM kicked your team out of the top 10% now too while some teams that don't deserve it are in it now...i guess you got what you wanted now gg

A_Fuzzy_Velociraptor #16 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 06:27

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View PostTheaty, on Feb 18 2015 - 23:31, said:

Guess the skill based MM kicked your team out of the top 10% now too while some teams that don't deserve it are in it now...i guess you got what you wanted now gg

 

If that was directed at me you did not read at all what I wrote. I never wanted any sort of performance based seeding. What I described above I think would be a much less retarded way to do a performance based seeding than what they did.

Theaty #17 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 06:41

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View PostInciatus, on Feb 19 2015 - 05:27, said:

 

If that was directed at me you did not read at all what I wrote. I never wanted any sort of performance based seeding. What I described above I think would be a much less retarded way to do a performance based seeding than what they did.

 

no it's directed at the ESPRT guy that started this crap

A_Fuzzy_Velociraptor #18 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 06:45

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View PostTheaty, on Feb 19 2015 - 00:41, said:

 

no it's directed at the ESPRT guy that started this crap

 

One of us seems to be misreading it. He seems to be saying that the performance based seeding is bad and that randoms should come back.

Driftin #19 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 06:50

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So does this mean every final will be a crap team vs a good team?? I can see people starting new accounts and ruining in them pubs just to get a good bracket.  WG proving how unintelligent they are once again.

 

Can't wait to start hearing terrible players saying they are good cus they made it to a final when all they had to be was not as bad, instead of actually good.


Edited by Driftin, Feb 19 2015 - 06:51.


Theaty #20 Posted Feb 19 2015 - 06:51

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View PostInciatus, on Feb 19 2015 - 05:45, said:

 

One of us seems to be misreading it. He seems to be saying that the performance based seeding is bad and that randoms should come back.

 

I guess that seems about right then oh well...anyways i asked about why they are doing this crapand apparently its to provide less gold farming opportunities as well...awesome...as if its gold farming. 




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