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dance210 #1 Posted Mar 22 2015 - 18:01

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Basic Tournament Information for Skirmish 13

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  • Team Size: 8 combatants + 4 reserves
  • Map: Fisherman's Bay
  • Mode:  Standard
  • Tier Point Minimum: 35
  • Tier Point Maximum: 77
  • Tier Limits:
    • This represents the max tier allowed. Teams are allowed to bring lower tiers. 
    • Light: Tier 8
    • Medium: Tier 10
    • Heavy10
    • TD: Tier 9
    • SPG: Tier 9
  • Special restriction: No duplicate tanks allowed


Redwing_Warrior #2 Posted Mar 23 2015 - 21:48

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Just curious why teams that can not play during the week get punished by losing a payout level (5th-8th)? 

dance210 #3 Posted Mar 23 2015 - 22:05

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View PostRedwing_Warrior, on Mar 23 2015 - 13:48, said:

Just curious why teams that can not play during the week get punished by losing a payout level (5th-8th)? 

 

Teams could potentially earn gold without winning a match, simply by signing up for the weekend only (e.g. bye on Friday and lose on Saturday).

 

By adjusting the gold, teams need to win two matches in order to earn gold.



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View Postdance210, on Mar 23 2015 - 13:05, said:

 

Teams could potentially earn gold without winning a match, simply by signing up for the weekend only (e.g. bye on Friday and lose on Saturday).

 

By adjusting the gold, teams need to win two matches in order to earn gold.

 

I will grant you that point.  However, if you reintroduced the mixing of weekend teams with Bravo teams, first round byes would go to the teams that participated during the week (as it should).  This would stop the winning gold by just signing up. 

 

I must say that I am in favor of the changes overall (granted our teams only do the weekends).


Edited by Redwing_Warrior, Mar 23 2015 - 22:19.


wellard #5 Posted Mar 23 2015 - 22:57

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Any reason for preferring playoff games to be played on the Thursday rather than the weekend

dance210 #6 Posted Mar 23 2015 - 23:03

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View Postwellard, on Mar 23 2015 - 14:57, said:

Any reason for preferring playoff games to be played on the Thursday rather than the weekend

 

This Skirmish has a weird week - the playoffs are starting a day early because of Easter.

 

Skirmish 14 will go back to the normal schedule...with the exception that tie-breakers are going to be permanently removed.



TastyPastry #7 Posted Mar 23 2015 - 23:15

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So if there are 100 teams, if my team makes 17th, I will get less gold than 26th in group stage? How does that make any sense?

Scrublet #8 Posted Mar 23 2015 - 23:42

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Gold payout chart makes no sense...

Oosa #9 Posted Mar 23 2015 - 23:43

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...What's the deal with the gold changes?

Moguai #10 Posted Mar 23 2015 - 23:47

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View PostUsa_Rox_All, on Mar 23 2015 - 15:43, said:

...What's the deal with the gold changes?

 

They changed it because everyone complaint that with the new Swiss seeding a 50% would earn 5k gold for winning their group when a 10% team would be knocked out in the first round of the playoffs

TastyPastry #11 Posted Mar 24 2015 - 00:07

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View PostMoguai, on Mar 23 2015 - 17:47, said:

 

They changed it because everyone complaint that with the new Swiss seeding a 50% would earn 5k gold for winning their group when a 10% team would be knocked out in the first round of the playoffs

 

:facepalm: This method of payout is even worse. It heavily punishes teams that are good enough for top 20%, but not enough for top 10% and rewards mediocrity more...

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View PostTastyPastry, on Mar 24 2015 - 00:07, said:

 

:facepalm: This method of payout is even worse. It heavily punishes teams that are good enough for top 20%, but not enough for top 10% and rewards mediocrity more...

 

o7 bulba!

MichaelZordan #13 Posted Mar 24 2015 - 00:21

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Seems like group stage is getting super grindy and unimportant... You're either top 25% or top 50%, and most teams will be in one or the other consistently with few bubble teams. Not much incentive to play all the games except for a bit better seeding

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View PostTastyPastry, on Mar 23 2015 - 23:07, said:

 

:facepalm: This method of payout is even worse. It heavily punishes teams that are good enough for top 20%, but not enough for top 10% and rewards mediocrity more...

 

Only 26%-50% teams that make more than the 1%-24% teams are those that are 1st place in the playoff stage. A team from the 1%-24% that gets eliminated on the first day of playoffs makes the same amount of gold as someone that finishes 2nd in the 26%-50% playoff. 

 

edit: playoff mm determines gold though



Theaty #15 Posted Mar 24 2015 - 01:42

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This is an even worse idea than the "skill based matchmaking with all top 10% teams" ...WHY have the entire group stage payout take effect on playoff matchmaking...if my team faces the best team in the group stage on playoffs first then we completely lose out on any good gold we had? I mean seriously? I would be fine with you switching the payouts around but making the group stage be 100% dependent on the playoffs just makes me think...what the [edited]? Why not just change the payout layout to Weekday Warfare where you have group stage fights all week and just have teams eliminated each day or whatever since you guys aren't complaining about that too much (or at least i haven't heard of it).

 

There is no reason for me to waste my time all week trying so hard for golds when in the end i can just easily get screwed over by skill based playoffs over the weekend and win barely anything because the best team in the tournament is matched up against us. 

 

If this doesn't get changed thanks for ruining skirmishes for me...on the bright side i would get to be more outside. 



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View PostTheaty, on Mar 23 2015 - 17:42, said:

This is an even worse idea than the "skill based matchmaking with all top 10% teams" ...WHY have the entire group stage payout take effect on playoff matchmaking...if my team faces the best team in the group stage on playoffs first then we completely lose out on any good gold we had? I mean seriously? I would be fine with you switching the payouts around but making the group stage be 100% dependent on the playoffs just makes me think...what the [edited]? Why not just change the payout layout to Weekday Warfare where you have group stage fights all week and just have teams eliminated each day or whatever since you guys aren't complaining about that too much (or at least i haven't heard of it).

 

There is no reason for me to waste my time all week trying so hard for golds when in the end i can just easily get screwed over by skill based playoffs over the weekend and win barely anything because the best team in the tournament is matched up against us. 

 

If this doesn't get changed thanks for ruining skirmishes for me...on the bright side i would get to be more outside. 

 

so you make the top 25% and get 3k gold minimum.... and you say thats a waste of time?

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Can we not just go back to the old way of doing things? What is the logic behind all of these changes? Seems like there has been nothing but overwhelmingly negative reactions.

Theaty #18 Posted Mar 24 2015 - 02:11

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View PostMoguai, on Mar 24 2015 - 00:52, said:

 

so you make the top 25% and get 3k gold minimum.... and you say thats a waste of time?

 

Yeah when my teams im usually in made top 10% and make 5k from 3 days. 

StranaMechty #19 Posted Mar 24 2015 - 02:34

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So...what's the incentive to actually do well? I'm not seeing it. Make top 20% or so and then just coast so you can have an easier playoff bracket.

 

Why not just say you're trying to give gold to worse teams? It's obvious what's going on.



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Whats the reason behind having the matches on Saturday start at 1900 est, rather than 2200 like all the rest of the days?

 







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