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The_Chieftain #1 Posted Apr 10 2015 - 00:30

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Going on an entire change of pace from the dour seriousness of the Armored Board’s assessment of the Centurion, we shall now turn our attention to the mad scramble in the US Army at the beginning of its wartime experience in the matter of how to deal with the problem of the massed German armored attacks which had overrun Western Europe.

A Colonel Leigh Zerbee of the Chemical Warfare Service apparently was one of those working on the problem, and not only did he develop a concept for a tank destroyer, but he built a prototype. After doing some local testing, he sent a letter up to the line to the Adjutant General of the Army, with his proposal. This letter was dated 01 Sept 1942, though obviously he had been working on this for some time beforehand.

I present it below:

Subject: Antitank Weapon.

To: The.Adjutant General of the Army (Through Military Channels.)

1. After the Battle of France it was patent that no possible number of fixed antitank guns could stop a concentrated charge of a great number of tanks, and that if anybody was going to stop Hitler he would have to have a new weapon. I analyzed the situation for several months and finally concluded that if I could follow naval development of arms and armor on land I could devise a weapon which could defeat the tank as the torpedo carrying airplane has defeated the battleship. Such a weapon must have, like the torpedo carrying airplane as compared to a battleship:

a. Sufficient fire power to stop a tank.

b. Greater speed to catch up with or run away from a tank.

c. Greater maneuverability than a tank.

d. Greater numbers so as to attack the tank from several directions at once and thus disperse the tank's fire power.

e. It must presenta very minimum as a vulnerable target.

2. These factors so oppose each other that the race in tank destroyers, like the race in battleships, has ever been towardheavier guns, heavier armor and greater speed. It is probable that the limit along this line of development has about been reached. What is needed now is wide departure, a departure as radical as the idea of the flimsy airplane attacking the staunch and powerful battleship. This paper proposes such a weapon.

3. Considering the opposing factors:

a. Sufficient fire power to stop tank implies a heavy gun

b. A heavy gun of the conventional type implies a heavy mount, and this in turn implies a heavy vehicle.

c. A heavy vehicle is necessarily slow and has poor maneuverability; also, heavy vehicles take longer to manufacture and aremore expensive. Thus, fewer can be made. They are also large and present a sizable target.

4. Ever since the Battle of France I have been trying to conceive of a weapon having the desired qualifications. In June, 1941, I presented ideas up to that time at a conference on antitank defense to the II Army Corps Staff, Major General Conger Pratt presiding. General Pratt urged me to present my ideas to the War Department. I knew, however, that they were still green or half baked, and I continued to develop them to the present time.

5. I now believe that they are ripe enough to present. I have designed, in the course of the last two years, and, in the last two weeks, have built and fired successfully a tank destroyer carrying two four inch guns. It also carries one auxiliary .30 caliber machine gun to keep down the fire of the tank being attacked, and one Thompson sub machine gun to fire to the rear and at aircraft. The chassis is a stripped-down "jeep" (1/4 ton 4 x 4 truck). It carries sufficient armor for the protection of its crew of two men from .30 caliber fire coming from dead ahead, but no side or rear armor.

6. In explanation of the apparent impossibility of doing what I claim in paragraph 5 above, the following is offered:

a. The barrel of the coventional, large, high velocity gun capable of piercing tank armor must be heavy to withstand the high pressure. Its breech must be even heavier to house the breech block. Its recoil is great, hence a heavy recoil mechanism is necessary. Traversing and elevating also require mechanism that has great weight. From the above we conclude that a conventional gun for a tank destroyer is so heavy that it requires a large, heavy, and expensive vehicle to transport it, and that the requirements of paragraph 1 cannot be met with it.

b. I describe in this communication a low velocity gun, but one capable of stopping a tank. Its barrel is thin and light. It has no breech block. It has no recoil mechanism and it has no traversing mechanism. It has no elevating mechanism. It is so light that two four-inch guns can be carried on one "jeep." In regards to the conventional high velocity projectile, the force of set-back requires a thick well, which in turn cuts down the capacity of the void for the bursting charge. In the low velocity gun I describe, there is very little force of set-back to the projectile. The walls are very thin and the capacity of the shell is very high, so high, in fact, that it is not necessary to pierce tank armor. The detonation of the shell is sufficient to ruin the treads and pierce the side armor or upset the tank.

This very powerful gun, together with its projectile, is cheap to manufacture (probably not over $35.00 to $50.00). It can be fired with impunity from any vehicle, even one as light as a Model T Ford. Every command car, truck, and “jeep” in the army can be equipped with one or more of these guns. The possible effects on modern war of such immense and ever present fire power are left to the imagination.

7. Tactical EmploymentAs an orientation to a presentation of my conception of the proper tactics for the tank destroyer, Ipresent below a few paragraphs on hunting game.

a. Ducks and Deer. There are two ways to hunt ducks. One is to build a blind in a likely location where ducks trade to and fro. Here we make the surroundings as attractive to the ducks as possible. We put out decoys (of both sexes), we bait with their favorite food, we drive away predacious hawks. Then we get into our blind and wait for the ducks to come, which, being ducks, they do if they happen to be flying that way. If they happen to fly in some other direction we go home and hope for them to come tomorrow. When they do come we fire from concealment. The ducks are mystified. They do not know what it is all about, and keep on coming, flock after flock, until perhaps we get our limit and call it a day. We might call this the static method of hunting ducks. The second method is to go out on foot or in a boat, perhaps in the rice fields, locate the ducks at a distance, make our approach, using all available cover, until we are within range. Then we open fire. We can always get ducks in this way if there are any ducks around. We do not wait for them to come our way. We go after them. We might call this the active method of hunting ducks.

b. Hunting deer in the Carolinas is something like hunting ducks, but instead of decoying the deer we (to use a Leavenworth term) "canalize" them. The hunters take stations on stands located on existing deer trails or in defiles where the deer must pass. Then the hounds are released; the hounds bay and the beaters beat. The poor, bewildered deer rushes along his well known trail entirely oblivious to the lurking danger, and venison is the result. Other deer in the beaten area do not understand the system, do not know enough to turn aside; they take the same trails, and come to the same end. We might call this the static method of hunting deer. The active method is to stalk the deer and shoot him on sight.

c. Comparison of Hunting Game and Hunting Tanks. So far as I know at present, our tank hunting is limited to the static method. We place our anti-tank weapons in places we think would be attractive routes for enemy tanks--like we do our duck blinds--and wait for the tanks to come. But tanks are not ducks. Once fired on they no longer keep on coming. They immediately perceive what is up, and turn and hunt for a softer spot. Tanks will also turn and run if we try to canalize them unless they have overwhelming numbers. Also, if we are to try to canalize tanks we must remember that they are not poor, helpless, senseless deer. They can turn and run but they can also turn on the hunter and annihilate him.

d. Rabbit Drives. It is apparent, from the foregoing, that owing to the intelligence of man, our hunt for tanks must be of the active method, and it must be very intense. Let me suggest that it should have a similarity to the rabbit drives of Kansas. Here thousands of hunters assemble on the perimeter of the area to be hunted. All advance on the center. Rabbits trying to pass through the line of advancing hunters are shot. The balance are driven to the center and destroyed. Such a method usedagainst tanks would of course require a very large number of tank destroyers, each capable of maneuvering until a favorable chance for a shot was obtained. I believe that the tank destroyer described in this paper, if employed in sufficient numbers, saysix to each tank to be encountered, could hunt tanks successfully in this way.

e. Minor Tactics:  At the beginning of an action, and until dispersed, the destroyers should work in groups of six, two sub-groups of three forming a group, their object being to attack their target (one tank) from all sides simultaneously. This should also permit of flank support of one destroyer by another.

f. Smoke: All tanks are more or less blind, particularly in smoke. These tank destroyers are not blind. They do not interfere with vision in the slightest. Hence, it would be an advantage if their attacks could be covered by smoke. The four-inch guns they carry are amply capable of projecting smoke projectiles to a distance of several hundred yards, thus enabling the tank destroyers to approach their target under cover at all times.

g. Ranges:

(1) High Explosive:  In my opinion the range for high explosive shell should be limited to 100 yards. This will permit of a high percentage of hits together with a satisfactory degree of safety from our own shell fragments and from hostile fire. Up to date we have been making about 50% hits at this range on full size tank silhouette on smooth terrain.

(2) Smoke Experiments indicate that we can obtain over 600 yards with smoke projectiles with no added strain on the jeep.

h. Major Tactics. Let us visualize a major tank battle like thanow going on near Stalingrad. We are the defending Russians, but in addition to what the Russians now have, we have 10,000 of these tank destroyers hidden away in the woods one hundred miles behind our front. Our aerial reconnaissance has discovered a major German tank attack to be in progress. Our order to attack is given and our destroyers rush at full speed toward the German tanks, using all available roads. Each six destroyers are in command of a leader. The instant the first leader sees the first German tank, he signals his group to charge. The group deploys at full speed. When each destroyer has reached its predesignated location in reference to the target, it charges, and fires when it reaches a range of 100 yards. As each successive leader reaches the battlefield he, with his group,charges the first tank he sees. A general melee results. Smoke shrouds the terrain. Our groups loose identity. Thousands of destroyers cruise through the smoke as individuals. There is no control and no attempt at control. The tanks are blind and confused, the destroyer sees easily and easily cruises through the smoke. Whenever a destroyer sees a tank, he fires. The battle goes on until the enemy is annihilated, as it was in the dayof Joshua.

8. The details of this weapon, with suggestions for improvement, are contained in the Exhibit listed below.

9. Your attention is invited to the necessity of great secrecy in this connection, as we do not want the enemy to use this weapon against us first.

10. I hereby offer this weapon to the United States Government for whatever use it wishes to make of it.

11. I wish to acknowledge the valuable suggestions of Lieutenant Colonel A. W. Paine, C. W. S., who has cooperated with me in this development from the beginning.

Well, so far, one isn’t entirely sure what to make of it. The idea of massed, mobile tank destroyers to deal with the German panzer machine certainly had merit, indeed, it was the foundation upon which the Tank Destroyer doctrine was founded. The issues of cost and weight are also well-taken: Tank Destroyer Branch was trying to find lightweight, fast vehicles, and cost was of great importance in the War, even though many people will overlook this. I’m a little less convinced by the concept of a car attacking from the same quarter every time:  He already admits that there is no command and control likely in the confusion, and he wants these little guys co-ordinating their attacks. Plus, what happens if the tank happens to make a 90-degree turn? And he torpedoes much of his own hunting analogy by admitting that Germans are not as stupid as ducks. Still, perhaps these are minor flaws. Let us move on to the technical description.



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1. General

This gun can be thought of as a conventional gun; the only difference is that it has no breech block. It is loaded with a cartridge containing an ignitor, a propelling charge and a projectile the same as any other gun. The difference is that the cartridge case is about four times as heavy as the projectile. It is usually the other way around. In the conventional gun the cartridge is fired at the breech while in this gun it is fired at the muzzle. In the conventional gun the recoil is transmitted to the breech block, thence to the carriage. In this gun there is no breech block and the energy of recoil is taken up in importing velocity to the cartridge case. At the moment of firing the velocity of the jeep forward is about equal to the velocity of the cartridge case aft. These two velocities balance each other and the velocity of the cartridge case with reference to the ground is nearly zero. Upon emerging from the breech it simply drops to the ground and does not endanger personnel by flying to the rear. The conventional gunaims to pierce armor by the velocity of its projectile. This gun, like a naval torpedo, aims to pierce armor by the violence of the detonation of its bursting charge. This is what I call the projectile a torpedo. At present each destroyer fires two torpedoes-one from each tube,and then withdraws to reload. But it appears entirely possible to fire three torpedoes from each without withdrawing to reload thus making the tank destroyer a six shooter.

 

1. Details of Construction and Suggestions for Improvement.

The tank destroyer described herein was constructed from materials available at Fort Sam Houston and Camp Bullis, and withPost labor.

 

Chassis: The chassis is that of a Ford truck, Recon ½-ton4 x 4, "jeep." with seats removed. The front springs have been reinforced with two extra leaves. The gas tank has been moved to the rear and the steering wheel has been lowered to decrease the silhouette.

Suggestions for improvement: Some few members might be strengthened, particularly the tie rods between the front wheels.

 Guns: Two pieces of old, rusty steam pipe, five inches internal diameter,1/4-inch thick, eleven feet long, and from the scrap heap at Camp Bullis.

Suggestion for improvement: Much lighter pipe can be used, perhaps even 1/16 inch thick as there is almost no stress on it.

 Gun Brackets: Two pieces of heavy angle iron, much better than necessary to carry the stress, from the junk heap at Camp Bullis.

Suggestion for improvement: Lighter material

 Cartridge Case: A World War four-inch Stokes mortar barrel turned down at the breech to fit into the guns.

Suggestion for Improvement: A very much cheaper cartridge case can be produced.

 Torpedo: A world war Four-inch stokes mortar bomb with an always fuze—loaded with about ten pounds of TNT.

Suggestion for improvement: A very much thinner shell, one just strong enough to hold the fuze. It should contain no massive parts so as to minimize danger to friendly troops from flying fragments. Also, a thin shell will hold more TNT for the same total weight of filled shell.

 Propellant: For TNT shell, about two ounces of black powder. Smokeless powder will not function in this gun. The pressure is too low. Grain size, the same as livens projector ignitor.

For smoke shell sufficient of the same powder to get the range desired. The powder is enclosed for firing in a silk powder bag from a livens projector charge.

 Ignitor: Commercial electric squibs. These are fired by commercial blasting machines through a series of safety switches. The squibs are placed in the propelling charge and the wires led out the muzzle of the cartridge case through grooves filed in the bourrelets of the torpedo.

 

Elevating Mechanism: None.

 Traversing Mechanism: None. The driver aims the jeep itself.

Suggestions for improvement: It would be quite possible to mount the guns on screw jacks if a means for varying elevation is decided upon, for smoke for instance. No traversing mechanism is recommended. The destroyer as it is now has proved itself sufficiently accurate in deflection.

 

 

Mechanically, the concept seems sound enough. It’s a recoilless weapon, and having a counter-mass is something which is in use today in some weapons. Despite some immediate thoughts of the wonder weapons that Dad’s Army may have come up with, especially given the construction materials, it’s not a bad idea. As far as actually hitting something is concerned, however, one must wonder about how this is expected unless the vehicle is driving on a large pool table or stationary on level ground. Still, the Army took a solid look at it. Probably since it was nearby, COL Montgomery of the Tank Destroyer Board took a drive down to check out a demonstration.

 For the life of me, I can’t find the full copy of the report on my hard drive, though I could have sworn I had photographed it.  The gist of it, however, is as follows:

 The test started the the TD in a concealed position some 800-1,000 yards from the target, a tank silhouette. The vehicle then attacked the target by starting toward it at maximum practicable rate of speed, the vehicle being pointed directly toward the target. At about 100 yards distant, the driver-gunner fired, and after firing, the vehicle veered away from the target.

 Although the first part of the run was of fairly rough terrain, the last 200-300 yards was on level and fairly smooth ground surface, which favoured the “aim” in both direction and range. Some experimenting was done in the loading of the black powder charge to vary the velocity and trajectory.

 Results in hitting the silhouette target by the dummy projectiles used was not favourable to the weapon. Out of nine trials where conditions were acceptable for test purposes, only two hits resulted.

 The vehicle and firing tube were in no way affected by the charge. This was to be expected since the firing tube was not subjected to pressure.

 The assessment continued:

 The conditions under which the demonstration was conducted were highly special in that the ground about the target was level and smooth. Had the ground, on the contrary, been rough, the possibility of a hit with a projectile launching device which cannot be aimed independent of the stance of the vehicle at instant of firing must be regarded as remote.

 The mounting of a launcher of any kind on a vehicle which is to fire in motion must be free so that the launcher can be pointed independently of the moving vehicle whose position at the instant of firing is affected by the terrain. In the combat vehicle demonstrated, the launchers are rigidly attached to the vehicle. If the target were fixed and the weapon-carrying vehicle similar to the one tested could select a particular route of approach so that at the right distance from the target, the direction of the vehicle, the slope of the ground, and the degree of deflection of the springs could be all shown, hits could doubtless be had, but such a set-up cannot be expected in combat.

 Col Zerbee apparently thought about this a little bit, and concluded that a solution would be to load up a couple more tubes, and fire a 14-round burst, relying on dispersion of a number of rounds to obtain at least one hit. I am reminded somewhat of the Hedgehog or RBU anti-submarine weapons. The official conclusion of the report was

 The weapon in its present form cannot be advantageously employed againsttt   tanks for the   reason that it cannot be dependably aimed at targets of comparatively limited size. Colonel Zerbee’s answer to this question is not considered a dependable solution to the problem of accurate aiming of his weapon.

 The end result was that the creativity shown by Col Zerbee’s thought-out solution was appreciated, even if it was perhaps a little optimistic. Of course, the issue of equipping jeeps with recoilless rifles was more or less solved by giving guys in a jeep a bazooka. The overall concept, incidentally, reminds me of the Grenadier Tank Destroyer Battalion I covered earlier. 

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Tupinambis #3 Posted Apr 11 2015 - 22:39

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Who dared assign a neg to this!?

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Even if it had worked perfectly, as described you'd have smoke, hundreds of racing jeeps firing wildly, and no command structure.

 

That sounds like a perfect storm for friendly fire to me.



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Invisibility cloak is historical, I guess :v

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View PostSlayer_Jesse, on Apr 11 2015 - 17:36, said:

Even if it had worked perfectly, as described you'd have smoke, hundreds of racing jeeps firing wildly, and no command structure.

 

That sounds like a perfect storm for friendly fire to me.

 

or a tier 1-2 battle 

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was this the same guy who developed the first stinky...wait... "sticky bomb" to use again tanks and also the developer of the "anti tank chain " from seeing the large revolutionary war chain that once spanned the narrows of West Point on floating barges ?

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River_Chain

 

In his rendition a series of jeeps would drive in formation each mounting a piece of a very large metal chain and surround the enemy with it.

 

the weight proved impracticable and his second invention was the "Tank net" along these same lines

 

 that didn't work either as any enemy tanks that were caught in the net ended up dragging the jeeps around not the other way around.

 

 from that failure he developed the "Tank Harpoon"  which wasn't any more successful then the rest of his ideas.


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Little did he ever know that one day WG developers would be considering CO. Zerbee's Tank Harpoon tank-ett  as a new american light premium

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There are some merits to this plan and I have to give the Colonel some points for assembling both the ordnance and that love child of a Jeep and an Ontos, but I remain puzzled at how people don't seem to work out fundamental flaws ahead of time.

 

The most critical one being the inability to aim on anything other than some sort of mythical entirely-flat surface.  Going into the game with an ELC, holding down the turret lock, and trying to hit something while rushing down the top of the beach area on Stalingrad  seems like it would be easier.  The Jeeps are supposed to converge on one target from all sides, and the first thing that comes to mind is a situation where one Jeep hits a bump and sends the shell arcing over the target to hit another Jeep on the other side.

 

Turning the entire squad in good order at a hundred yards' distance from a tank is almost certainly a lot more complicated than it seems on paper.  It also appears to ignore how there might be other things within that 100 yards, such as hostile infantry, other tanks, more hostile infantry, etc.  Going by the original plan, at least two of the Jeeps will be between the target tank and that infantry or a second line of tanks.  The crew of the first-line target tanks might be a little concerned when 7.92mm fire starts bouncing off of their back armor, but the people in the essentially-unarmored Jeeps that are driving perpendicularly to that MG fire aren't going to be very happy at all.

 

On top of that, if the Jeep TDs have friendlies in the area, they'd have to try and fight while a bunch of lunatics are driving unarmored vehicles between the things that they're also shooting at. 

 

Mounting the guns so that they fired perpendicularly to the vehicle or putting them on a traversing mount would have been so much more normal.  Aiming would be even more hilarious, but at least they wouldn't have to charge directly at (or pass) the target to shoot at it.

 


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m50 Ontos

And gentlemen, I give you the m50 ontos! XD I want this in the game stat! All jokes aside I love this thing, and i do mean thing, ontos in greek means "the thing".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Ontos



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i think that is  recoiless rifled tank and as far as i know wg doesn't put recoiless rifles on their models do they?

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View PostGiganom, on Apr 11 2015 - 20:21, said:

m50 Ontos

And gentlemen, I give you the m50 ontos! XD I want this in the game stat! All jokes aside I love this thing, and i do mean thing, ontos in greek means "the thing".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Ontos

 

Before they put that in they better get the Sturmtiger

 

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Sturmtiger



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 It seems to take cheap and plentiful to an extreme..... But it seems like something that would be a last ditch effort if it was ever put in the field...

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View Post_SuperTroll_, on Apr 11 2015 - 22:02, said:

 

Before they put that in they better get the Sturmtiger

 

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Sturmtiger

 

They did, back when the game was first out for the public.  I never had one personally, because I started around the time of the T-62A SPORT.

 

Why they removed it, I will never know.


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Sturmtiger?  Broken beyond all measure in game terms, and impossible to balance.

 

Ok...on to the article.  Very interesting concept, but I guess the guy who came up with it has never heard of an oscillating mounting?  Imagine using this type of setup, but with the recoilless rifles mounted on an AA gun turret instead of the .50s, then cram that in the back of something a little bigger than the jeeps they were using (halftracks were pretty mobile...).  Now THAT would be a nasty piece of work to deal with, especially if they could get a halfway decent ROF from it (or decent range, any thin skinned vehicle that has to get to within 100m of a tank is going to be nearly a suicide run).



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The M40 was used by many nations for quite a few decades.  105mm recoilless mounted on a jeep.  Of course, that had aiming mechanisms and a sighting rifle and was meant to be fired from a hide.  Still, I wouldn't mind a gun with 700mm pen.


 

Was Zerbee's TD the genesis of the m27/m40 platforms?



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the MB (that is the ww2 jeep) did not mount a recoilless rifle in combat to my knowledge however the m38 and the m38a1 made in 1948 and 1953 respectively did mount a recoilless rifle in the rear with minor modification and were used in combat. If you search you can find pictures of them in service with both the Americans and the Canadians.



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You know, the French took this idea of a lightweight vehicle with recoilless anti-tank rifle to the ultimate extreme immediately after WW2:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe the Chieftain can do an article on this thing.


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I think the biggest flaw of this design is his analogy. He compares tanks to battleships and his design to dive-bombers. The reason planes are so successful is because they can carry crippling payloads and are difficult to hit. And while his design would be difficult for a tank crew to attack, distances are shorter, making it easier to hit this thing with their MGs, and he's forgotten something extremely important. Tanks do not arrive on the battlefield alone, they will have accompanying infantry, who are more numerous and far more capable of annihilating quick hit-and-run jeeps. They are the fighters to his bomber, and unfortunately there are so many of them that his bombers will not last.

 

Anyways, CAS would be far more effective.



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View PostRumia_spots_Cirno_shoots, on Apr 11 2015 - 20:14, said:

There are some merits to this plan and I have to give the Colonel some points for assembling both the ordnance and that love child of a Jeep and an Ontos, but I remain puzzled at how people don't seem to work out fundamental flaws ahead of time.

 

The most critical one being the inability to aim on anything other than some sort of mythical entirely-flat surface.  Going into the game with an ELC, holding down the turret lock, and trying to hit something while rushing down the top of the beach area on Stalingrad  seems like it would be easier.  The Jeeps are supposed to converge on one target from all sides, and the first thing that comes to mind is a situation where one Jeep hits a bump and sends the shell arcing over the target to hit another Jeep on the other side.

 

Turning the entire squad in good order at a hundred yards' distance from a tank is almost certainly a lot more complicated than it seems on paper.  It also appears to ignore how there might be other things within that 100 yards, such as hostile infantry, other tanks, more hostile infantry, etc.  Going by the original plan, at least two of the Jeeps will be between the target tank and that infantry or a second line of tanks.  The crew of the first-line target tanks might be a little concerned when 7.92mm fire starts bouncing off of their back armor, but the people in the essentially-unarmored Jeeps that are driving perpendicularly to that MG fire aren't going to be very happy at all.

 

On top of that, if the Jeep TDs have friendlies in the area, they'd have to try and fight while a bunch of lunatics are driving unarmored vehicles between the things that they're also shooting at. 

 

Mounting the guns so that they fired perpendicularly to the vehicle or putting them on a traversing mount would have been so much more normal.  Aiming would be even more hilarious, but at least they wouldn't have to charge directly at (or pass) the target to shoot at it.

 

To answer your question,when it's not there buck why give a **** I bleeped it myself lol . If you stop and think if you had rank and an endless supply of money U.S.ARMY why think ahead.

 






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