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Etimos #1 Posted Jun 18 2011 - 09:18

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Saw a thread on this on the EU forums, but nothing on here. What I saw on the EU forum, however, freaked me out a little, because it looked like the devs had chosen to use the Tsiets KV4 design, which is HORRIBLE!!! God I only hope that it was 'one of many being considered' and not a final choice!

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If I had to choose one myself, I'd go with one of these instead:

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The last one is the most novel, I think, because it's a bit more like a tank destroyer, with its hull-mounted main gun, making it somewhat like the M3 Lee in that regard, but if I had to choose one, I'd pick the first one, simply because it's most similar to existing KV designs, has a lot of good features, and is one of the lightest designs (weighing around 84 tons). The second one is equally awesome thanks to the sloped front armor, but the bulging sides expose the side armor too much, and the frontal turret armor has absolutely no slope at all.

The very first, god awful design, though, is absolutely the worst one they could have picked! Look at the ammunition storage! Huge turret + Flat slope + 360 degree side-armor exposure + 220 degrees of ammo storage = THEY HIT OUR AMMO! It would be the most useless tank ever built!

menochinese #2 Posted Jun 18 2011 - 09:43

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The propsed KV-4 design looks AWESOME. How could you not like it? I hate soviet tanks, but the thing looks like a land battleship.

Da7K #3 Posted Jun 18 2011 - 10:21

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The KV4_04 and KV4_05 is the KV-3 drawing, the 04 is the upgraded turret and the 05 is the stock turret.

LoooSeR78V #4 Posted Jun 18 2011 - 10:30

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First KV-4 design will be in game, but last KV-4 pic/design look great!

Etimos #5 Posted Jun 18 2011 - 22:40

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View PostDa7K, on Jun 18 2011 - 10:21, said:

The KV4_04 and KV4_05 is the KV-3 drawing, the 04 is the upgraded turret and the 05 is the stock turret.


No, all of those designs are of the KV-4. The Kirov plant had a sort of contest for their designers to come up with the best KV-4 proposal. None were actually built, of course, but there were about twenty designs put forward by different engineers.

lol, trust me on this, I know the difference between a KV3 and a KV4; I've been obsessed with tanks since I was six.

Etimos #6 Posted Jun 18 2011 - 22:42

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View Postmenochinese, on Jun 18 2011 - 09:43, said:

The propsed KV-4 design looks AWESOME. How could you not like it? I hate soviet tanks, but the thing looks like a land battleship.


It's not what it LOOKS like that pisses me off. Look at the ammo storage! The entire turret is one big ammo box, and it's like 90% side and rear. Any armor penetrating or high explosive hit on that turret FROM ANY ANGLE will hit your ammunition!

The tank is a freaking death trap! The Sherman was a box of matches in battle because the ammunition wasn't properly stored, but this! The Tsiets KV-4 design proposal is a NIGHTMARE!

crull #7 Posted Jun 18 2011 - 23:00

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Russian tanks are supposed to be russian not an american tank that is regarded as the worst on the tech tree of american mediums,so while most american medium tanks are decent i would not like my kv to resemble the worst on the american tree.

Heavy tanks should not be tank destroyers.

RolandVH #8 Posted Jun 19 2011 - 02:00

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View PostEtimos, on Jun 18 2011 - 22:42, said:

It's not what it LOOKS like that pisses me off. Look at the ammo storage! The entire turret is one big ammo box, and it's like 90% side and rear. Any armor penetrating or high explosive hit on that turret FROM ANY ANGLE will hit your ammunition!

The tank is a freaking death trap! The Sherman was a box of matches in battle because the ammunition wasn't properly stored, but this! The Tsiets KV-4 design proposal is a NIGHTMARE!

Now you know how German tankers feel in this game. Entire side of Panther I/II is an ammo rack, and Tiger gets its ammo rack damaged so much as well.

Lapland #9 Posted Jun 19 2011 - 06:28

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I'd go with the KV-04-4, anything just to retain that same look KV-3 feel as opposed to being one big whooping turret like the KV-5

Valeriadrina #10 Posted Jun 19 2011 - 09:31

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That turret better have some good armor...  :lol:

Probably one of the tanks that will need wet ammo rack to survive.

Etimos #11 Posted Jun 19 2011 - 22:09

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View PostRolandVH, on Jun 19 2011 - 02:00, said:

Now you know how German tankers feel in this game. Entire side of Panther I/II is an ammo rack, and Tiger gets its ammo rack damaged so much as well.


NOW?! My main tank is a King Tiger, thank you very much.

RolandVH #12 Posted Jun 20 2011 - 02:05

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View PostEtimos, on Jun 19 2011 - 22:09, said:

NOW?! My main tank is a King Tiger, thank you very much.

I was mostly talking to the other Soviet heavy drivers, sorry.

Etimos #13 Posted Jun 24 2011 - 21:02

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Picture 04 is the Mikhailov version, my personal favorite. It has 180mm frontal, 150mm side, and 130mm rear armor (Same armor values for Hull and Turret), 1200 horsepower, and an 85mm and 150mm cannon. It stands 3 meters high, 3.6 meters wide, 9 meters long, with 2.5m total track width (guessing 1.25m per track), 0.5m clearance, and a crew of 5. The 85mm gun is hull-mounted, and the 150mm is turrret mounted. Ammuntion is stored in the side-hull, NOT the turret. BIG bonus points for that.

I feel that the Mikhailov is the best design, and I sincerely hope the devs pick that one.

If they really did pick the Tsiets, I will be VERY disappointed!

capt_spaulding_ #14 Posted Jun 26 2011 - 17:54

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To bad it doesn't look like this... lol

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Sword_of_Light #15 Posted Jun 26 2011 - 18:05

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View Postcapt_spaulding_, on Jun 26 2011 - 17:54, said:

To bad it doesn't look like this... lol

And I'll bet its still faster than the KV-3

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Reiuji #16 Posted Jun 26 2011 - 18:25

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On topic, the KV4_05 actually appeals to me best but idk... I highly doubt the devs would change their design choice for the KV4 but I do hope they would reconsider it.

MrTankFan #17 Posted Jun 26 2011 - 18:44

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I think the KV-4_05 pic has the coolest turret. But, personally, I wish I could get this KV-4 prototype.

Hey, here's an idea. Since there are so many KV-4 designs and none is really "more valid" than any other, why not offer one or two as premiums? Yeah, I know, we've got the KV-5 but these wouldn't have that "R2D2" cupola on the front. That and besides, I think the KV-5 is ugly. Some of these prototypes are way cooler.

AlienInvader #18 Posted Jun 26 2011 - 22:37

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I like it, but I like odd tank designs (KV-5 and B2 740). Might want me to start on the Russian heavy line instead of concentrating on the US lines.

thundermg1 #19 Posted Jun 26 2011 - 22:59

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View Postcapt_spaulding_, on Jun 26 2011 - 17:54, said:

To bad it doesn't look like this... lol

Take a shot........

Lapland #20 Posted Jun 26 2011 - 23:08

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View PostEtimos, on Jun 24 2011 - 21:02, said:

Picture 04 is the Mikhailov version, my personal favorite. It has 180mm frontal, 150mm side, and 130mm rear armor (Same armor values for Hull and Turret), 1200 horsepower, and an 85mm and 150mm cannon.

Jesus pillow humping christ. That sounds like a god damn monster to drive, like a Maus but thrown into Tier 8 battles. A whole new can of worms if that front glacis has a slight slope to it.

Seriously, I'd grind like crazy through the KV and KV-3 if the KV-4 was like that.