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Poll: Pick the best modern MBT (434 members have cast votes)

Wich MBT do you think beats all the others?

  1. Russian T-90 MBT (37 votes [8.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.53%

  2. American M1A2 Abrams (145 votes [33.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.41%

  3. British Challenger MK II (38 votes [8.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.76%

  4. German Leopard II (a4/a5) (135 votes [31.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.11%

  5. Chinese Type 99 (11 votes [2.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.53%

  6. French Leclerc (14 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  7. Indian Arjun MBT (1 vote [0.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.23%

  8. Israeli Merkava (MK IV or III) (35 votes [8.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.06%

  9. other? (specify) (18 votes [4.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.15%

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pershinggulf #1 Posted Jun 20 2011 - 03:25

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There are all sorts of great Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) in the world. Tanks that are considered to be unstoppable Juggernaut of today battlefield, that have record high kills and low destruction (M1A1 for example), or are true cold-warriors that have endured it all (Leopard II). I want to know, what dose everyone think the BEST MBT is? Do not pick it because "Ru$$Ia iz pr0" or "Amerika f*** Yea!", pick it because you truly think it is the Superior tank. If the tank you think is the greatest MBT is not up there, please tell us what it is and why its the best. Best, as in its armor, EWP, Power, Reliability, Power, its crewmen, ect. Best all around. Every category you can think of.

This applies ONLY to 3rd Generation MBTs, in use by the top military powers today. No blueprint tanks like the Landkreuzer P. 1500 Monster.

Happy voting

AngusMcAWESOME #2 Posted Jun 20 2011 - 10:40

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Christ on a bicycle, we've already got a thread for this crap that 34 bloody pages long now (directly below this one I might add).  This forum needs another "Best Tank In The World" thread like a submarine needs portholes.

Ogopogo #3 Posted Jun 20 2011 - 22:44

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Several reasons why this poll isn't a great idea, and will not work out.




There is a massive thread regarding this.



Many people will come in, not give reason why and pick their country's own tank.
Example: I see 14 votes and only two other posts in this thread.


Most tanks are better in certain areas, depending on what is it is use for.
-Example: The Leopard 2 has a much more efficient engine than the M1A2, however the M1A2's engine has a faster top speed and better acceleration. If you have the supply lines the M1A2 may be better.
-Example 2: The Merkava is tailor made for Israel and the surrounding area. If performing in its natural terrain, it will outperform other tanks thanks to its unique suspension.
-Example 3: The challenger 2 possess VERY good armor, at the cost of speed. If you are fine with trading in some speed for protection...

Chiyeko #4 Posted Jun 21 2011 - 09:58

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Every MBT is better at some tasks and worse at others, as said above the Merkava will wipe the floor with anything in the middle east, the Abrams will sweep any dessert or plain clean as long as it gets fuel, the Leopard will be king of the hill in Europe with the Challenger 2 holding the lines with ease against anyone that comes in it's range.

In the end any of these tanks will kill each other without to much of an issue it is more question of who has a better position or the better tank for the area. Their guns are pretty much equal and today we have better ammo than armour, add a doe of luck and bad luck and in the end you will see there really won't be much of a difference if you put all these tanks to fight each other in any area you can think off, the scores in the end will be pretty damn even.

So I will not vote and if I had to I chose the Merkava, just because of all the tanks it looks the most awesome and frankly that is all I care about right now :)

SpyGuy999 #5 Posted Jun 29 2011 - 17:10

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Why are we voting on the Leo 2 A4/5 variants when the key variant is the A6?  And the A6M with the enhanced mine package provides the best protection in the world right now.  Even the Abrams A2 SEP version doesn't provide the same level of mine/IED protection.

One of the most under-rated tanks actually is the Leclerc, whereas the Merkava is one of the most overrated and very theatre specific. In the case of the latter, its success has been measured largely against Soviet bloc tanks and AT weapons, so careful how much credibility you accord it as a modern MBT.

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View PostSpyGuy999, on Jun 29 2011 - 17:10, said:

One of the most under-rated tanks actually is the Leclerc, whereas the Merkava is one of the most overrated and very theatre specific. In the case of the latter, its success has been measured largely against Soviet bloc tanks and AT weapons, so careful how much credibility you accord it as a modern MBT.

A Mk 3 Merkava has survived a hit from a kornet, plus they recently started implementing the trophy protection system. Most modern tanks have had experience against older AT weapons, few have had results shown from modern weapons or tanks.

JacquesEQMS #7 Posted Jul 03 2011 - 07:29

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Any list without Korean tanks is simply a list of lies

http://en.wikipedia....2_Black_Panther

pershinggulf #8 Posted Jul 03 2011 - 20:59

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View PostJacquesEQMS, on Jul 03 2011 - 07:29, said:

Any list without Korean tanks is simply a list of lies

http://en.wikipedia....2_Black_Panther

Not in the list of 3rd-gen MBTs yet, as it has not been produced in sufficient numbers.

Also, its more like a hybrid of the M1A2 and Leopard

Spectre12078 #9 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 01:03

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T90.As it sits,its an export tank,but its more fuel efficent then its cousin,the T-80. But,it shares alot of parts.So logisitcs wise,I would go with the Soviet tank for the ability to scavenge the destroyed tanks for extra parts.


IF you want to compare tanks,the T80 is more similar to the Abrams.The T90 is more similar to the Leopard.

LifePilgrim #10 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 01:32

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If I were a tyrant I'd want a T-90.

If I were a rich tyrant I'd want Challenger II and insist that they sell them

If I were an American ally it might be easiest to get the M1A2

If I were the Israeli PM I'd want the Merkava Mk IV

If I were a rich and eccentric Arab Sheikh I'd order the Leclerc.

If I were a rationalist I'd want the Leopard 2A6

If I had very good relationship or want to nurture one with South Korea I'd want the Black Panther.

If I wanted to produce the tanks myself and acquire the technologies in it and interested in long strategic partnership with People's Republic of China I'd order Chinese Type 99 in large numbers.

If I were leading a rebel faction or would like to wage local conflict and short term small scale offensive I'd want a mix of T-55s and T-72s.

M207 #11 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 02:42

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I think MBTs aren't that useful

StugIII #12 Posted Aug 10 2011 - 03:00

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I had to vote for the Leopard 2A4/A5. It's a good all around tank but when it comes down to it I would not vote for the version of the A5 the germans use.
The Danish Leopard 2A5DK was given more front hull armor and a few other things.  LOL but they drop the roof mounted MG3.... why denmark!! why did you do that lol....

ATHOMIC_PUNK #13 Posted Aug 10 2011 - 15:17

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i'm sorry - do the research. the challenger 2 is THE BEST. i'm not going into all the reasons here, they're obvious. (ask any leopard 1 driver if he'd trade speed for protection !) look it up and you'll see. the leo and abrams are GREAT MBT's but the Challenger 2 is what i'd plant my happy ass in if i was going to war

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View Postyddraigcoch, on Aug 10 2011 - 15:17, said:

i'm sorry - do the research. the challenger 2 is THE BEST. i'm not going into all the reasons here, they're obvious. (ask any leopard 1 driver if he'd trade speed for protection !) look it up and you'll see. the leo and abrams are GREAT MBT's but the Challenger 2 is what i'd plant my happy ass in if i was going to war

You do realize the leopard 1 is a second generation tank, not a third right?

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View Postpershinggulf, on Jul 03 2011 - 20:59, said:

Not in the list of 3rd-gen MBTs yet, as it has not been produced in sufficient numbers.

Also, its more like a hybrid of the M1A2 and Leopard

K2 Black Panther has Korean features that neither M1 or Leo have.
http://img.donanimha...D9C5E768E86.jpg


If it is a fight in the mountains, I'd pick K2 in a heart beat over any other tank except maybe....Japanese Type 10.

pershinggulf #16 Posted Aug 13 2011 - 03:28

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View PostSoukouDragon, on Aug 11 2011 - 04:44, said:

K2 Black Panther has Korean features that neither M1 or Leo have.
http://img.donanimha...D9C5E768E86.jpg


If it is a fight in the mountains, I'd pick K2 in a heart beat over any other tank except maybe....Japanese Type 10.


But again, its not a 3rd generation MBT.

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View Postpershinggulf, on Aug 13 2011 - 03:28, said:

But again, its not a 3rd generation MBT.
It doesn't have to be a crappy 3rd generation, just a dang stupid Main Battle Tank

View PostM207, on Aug 09 2011 - 02:42, said:

I think MBTs aren't that useful
Because they can be destroyed by 2 TDs with ease

View PostOgopogo, on Jun 20 2011 - 22:44, said:

Several reasons why this poll isn't a great idea, and will not work out.




There is a massive thread regarding this.



Many people will come in, not give reason why and pick their country's own tank.
Example: I see 14 votes and only two other posts in this thread.


Most tanks are better in certain areas, depending on what is it is use for.
-Example: The Leopard 2 has a much more efficient engine than the M1A2, however the M1A2's engine has a faster top speed and better acceleration. If you have the supply lines the M1A2 may be better.
-Example 2: The Merkava is tailor made for Israel and the surrounding area. If performing in its natural terrain, it will outperform other tanks thanks to its unique suspension.
-Example 3: The challenger 2 possess VERY good armor, at the cost of speed. If you are fine with trading in some speed for protection...
Example 4: Someone doesn't like MBTs (MBTs like the Abrams)

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View PostM207, on Aug 13 2011 - 05:29, said:

It doesn't have to be a crappy 3rd generation, just a dang stupid Main Battle Tank

Put a T-44 up against a M1A2 Abrams. Tell me how that works out.

pershinggulf #19 Posted Aug 13 2011 - 18:40

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Holy Christ on a bicycle M207, can you learn to EDIT YOUR POSTS? Please, there a button that says edit posts. Click it, and add in what you say. It makes life so much easier. Or use mulitquote! Its not that hard!

All your points aren't even true. Firstly: This is about 3rd Generation Main Battle Tanks. We are talking about MODERN times, not the 1940-50s. Modern are 3ed Generation MBTs.

Second: TDs aren't even in use anymore. Your telling me an ISU-152 could really be stacked against a modern American M1A2 Abrams, German Leo. 2A5, Israeli Merkava, Or British Challenger mk. II and win?

Third: Your being biased.

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View Postpershinggulf, on Aug 13 2011 - 18:40, said:

Second: TDs aren't even in use anymore. Your telling me an ISU-152 could really be stacked against a modern American M1A2 Abrams, German Leo. 2A5, Israeli Merkava, Or British Challenger mk. II and win?

the TD is still around just not used as much. germans has the Jaguar 2, italy has the B1 Centauro. I don't know if the US gave the Stryker MGS the designation of TD or weapon carrier... anyone know? the germans don't use the Jaguar 2 as a offensive weapon anymore but the Centauro can go out an kick some ass lol.