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oxyknight #1 Posted Jun 21 2011 - 16:23

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Okay this t23 is horrible if your going american medium line just for the t23 then your in for one helluv a suprise IT SUCKS 76mm's of horrible ass armour almost everytime I get into a battle the first hit either kills my driver or something to do with my gun it sucks balls literally I'm glad they're removing the t20 and moving down the t23 but seriously why would you put a t8 tank in such battles? I get slain by t4's the 90mm isnt bad when your gunner or gun isnt dead I cannot stand it the engine is better more acceleration it also only turns faster when I'm goings slow and turns slow as hell when im going top speed, quite good for circling a KT who has a incredifast turret turn speed which is insane because ITS A HUGE TANK AND ITS SLOW, the tank sucks straight up I rarely ever just rush and go right for their arty but I usually die to ferdinands and such arguably the worst t8 ever.

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EDIT: No, you're probably not driving it stock.

Just for the record, i don't drive a T23, and i only got to the T20 in beta, but from what i gleaned from the T20 is that the T20/T23 are not brawlers. They have nice speed but the turning rate is awful, its gun is good but not really all that good for close-in brawls, and it lacks the armor thickness or slope that the T-44 and Panther have. If anything i say the T20 (and by extension the T23) are best relegated as sniping tanks, especially from what I hear about the Pershing being a good gun on moderately okay armor.

Not to mention that most times i meet a T23 in close range fights he's usually alone and unsupported, and he gets dogpiled on and is reduced to a smoking wreck. Even my T1 Heavy can pen his frontal plate (with only about 15% HP hit, but it still pens).

hectorjr21 #3 Posted Jun 21 2011 - 16:43

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Its a fast paper armor tank, you wont bounce any shots. If you just rush at the start at the match you will die every time and you wont do anything. Its a fun tank, you can snipe with the 90, or you can go up close and brawl.
Also they aren't removing the T20, they are removing the T23.

fritz3d #4 Posted Jun 21 2011 - 17:02

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T23 is a fantastic medium. No armour and the gun is a bit weak for T8 but it more than makes up for it in mobility.

Daiichidoku #5 Posted Jun 21 2011 - 17:55

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"T23 is fine, learn play, comrade"

Deputy_Derp #6 Posted Jun 21 2011 - 18:43

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View Postoxyknight, on Jun 21 2011 - 16:23, said:

Okay this t23 is horrible if your going american medium line just for the t23 then your in for one helluv a suprise IT SUCKS 76mm's of horrible ass armour almost everytime I get into a battle the first hit either kills my driver or something to do with my gun it sucks balls literally I'm glad they're removing the t20 and moving down the t23 but seriously why would you put a t8 tank in such battles? I get slain by t4's the 90mm isnt bad when your gunner or gun isnt dead I cannot stand it the engine is better more acceleration it also only turns faster when I'm goings slow and turns slow as hell when im going top speed, quite good for circling a KT who has a incredifast turret turn speed which is insane because ITS A HUGE TANK AND ITS SLOW, the tank sucks straight up I rarely ever just rush and go right for their arty but I usually die to ferdinands and such arguably the worst t8 ever.

A couple things.
1. The T20 is not being removed and the T23 is not moving down.
2. you complain about the 76mm but after going through the T20 to get this far if you are using it instead of the 90mm you are fail not the tank.
3. It doent not turn "slow as hell" as you state it.

What the T23 is... Is a fast med tank designed to to snipe or get in fast circle and pummel your opponent. In the right hands it is the best US medium tank right now. Played properly the T23 is deadly against any tier 8 tank. You need to either adjust your playing style with it or play heavies or something.

Han0verfiste #7 Posted Jun 21 2011 - 18:57

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I ran the T23 with the 76 instead of the 90 and I earned the Pershing with it, and frankly I want it back.
With the right upgrades the T23 is a great tank. With the 76 the T23 has an ROF of 21 to 24 with mods. Its fast and can run circles around the oposition. I play it like a M7 on steroids and it works for me. You'll have to find what works for you.

Flyinglead #8 Posted Jun 22 2011 - 08:29

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I suppose I'll chime in here as a dedicated T23 driver.

The T23 is a black hole and sucks in stray shots without fail,random outbound arty will turn 180 degrees to land on me.

The T23 is a gas can that lights seemingly without provocation but when struck,especially by artillery,it burns like a road flare.

The T23 is also made of paper or something because any hit is likely to cripple the advantage the tank offers.HE impacts are likely to cause multiple critical damages to the T23.Artillery especially has this effect and I often find myself being the primary focus of artillery teams. They know the T23 is a fairly easy kill.

The T23 can swing its gun on anything in an instant,I routinely have Leapard drivers round my tank to get to my 6o'clock only to find the barrel is already waiting for them.

The T23 fitted with a gun gyrostab can pop targets on the run like an Abrams,its almost cheating really. The 76mm is perfect for this.

The T23 will lose money in a losing fight unless you put lots of fire on targets,I usualy burn through all my AP ammo with the 76mm and about half with the 90mm in any given fight. Shots on target means more money in a win and breaking even in a loss.

Love it or hate it the tank is what it is. I didnt make the rules I just drive it because it suits my play style. Good luck out there.

DingBat #9 Posted Jun 22 2011 - 15:45

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I love the T23. It was my favorite tank in beta. It's zippy, accelerates better than the T20, and the 90mm is accurate.

However, I can completely see why they are removing it. It's the only tank I can think of that doesn't have any sort of gun upgrade (you get the 90 if you had the T20). It's essentially a slightly up-armored version of the T20, in higher tier battles.

AutobotMech #10 Posted Jun 22 2011 - 15:59

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Have to say , I do enjoy the t23. The 90mil is a good gum, and hits more then misses. Yeah it's not a one shot one kill, but several plinks to anything is enugh to make most heavy back off.  Can't wait to get the top tier turret for the extra hp.

KnightFandragon #11 Posted Jun 22 2011 - 16:03

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View PostDingBat, on Jun 22 2011 - 15:45, said:

I love the T23. It was my favorite tank in beta. It's zippy, accelerates better than the T20, and the 90mm is accurate.

However, I can completely see why they are removing it. It's the only tank I can think of that doesn't have any sort of gun upgrade (you get the 90 if you had the T20). It's essentially a slightly up-armored version of the T20, in higher tier battles.
Lol, what on the T23 is 'uparmored'? I looked at it in comparison to the t20 and saw it had like 89mm of armor instead of 88.....1 more milimeter of toilet paper doesnt count as 'uparmored' to me lol. :)

Hellgrunt #12 Posted Jun 23 2011 - 04:56

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I for one am looking foward to getting a new pershing. I only hope its getting one of the upgraded 90mm guns.  :Smile_honoring:

blade12444 #13 Posted Jun 23 2011 - 10:47

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If u have gotten to the t23 u should KNOW THAT USA MEDS DON'T GET AMOUR

if u don't like it then DON't go for the pershing/patton its NOT going to Change amour wise.

Neospid #14 Posted Jun 23 2011 - 12:29

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T23 is an awesome tank, kinda disappointed that the American medium line is losing it's speed.  Learn how to play it, it's not a brawler.

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Yankee_Rhapsody #15 Posted Jun 23 2011 - 14:40

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the T23 is doused in lighter fluid and is severely outgunned in post battles your placed in, expect to bounce even on the sides and rear of many tanks you fight. In short the T23 is terrible especially after how good the T20 was for its tier

the T20 is amazing and the pershing with the 105 is just awesome. Get the Pershing and the 105 and you will be happy

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No, its not a bad tank. Learn how to play it. If you think its bad, you're gonna be in for a world of pain with the pershing and its 90mm

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FaustianQ #17 Posted Jun 23 2011 - 21:26

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View PostKnightFandragon, on Jun 22 2011 - 16:03, said:

Lol, what on the T23 is 'uparmored'? I looked at it in comparison to the t20 and saw it had like 89mm of armor instead of 88.....1 more milimeter of toilet paper doesnt count as 'uparmored' to me lol. :)

That's turret armor, the T23's hull armor is about half an inch thicker. Not that it matters much at T8.

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Pros and cons of the T23:

Pros:

-It leads to the Pershing.
-It goes away eventually.

Cons:
-It is a T20, I don't care if it has a 3 in there.  It is a T20 that gets to fight bigger enemies.  You may have more hit points, but they have bigger guns.
-Don't worry though, you DON'T get a bigger gun.  You may as well just throw danishes at the enemy, you might do more damage.



Not sure why they give the Pershing a T8 gun as an upgrade and not the T23, but at least we don't have the Russian problem of having to many nice guns to chose from.

Kazunemaru #19 Posted Jun 23 2011 - 22:01

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- No I don't drive one but I've shot at and destroyed plenty, so all I say is based on combat experience. -

Every now and then the T23 will bounce a shot, miraculously, very similar to the Panther.  And as far as shooting goes its rate of fire is pretty good, along with its rediculous but historically correct accuracy when firing at mid-range targets on the move.  The 90mm may not have great penetration, but when the Pershing gets moved down in its place I think it will keep the upgraded 90mm.

I don't think the T23 catches fire as often as the "Candle Wagon" they call the Panther, though I may be wrong.

Fully upgraded its very maneuverable.

Uhh.. T23 huge? I'd say its size is comparatively small to the Panther; it can be pretty hard to hit from a distance while its on the move.

P.S. T23 isn't moving down to replace the T20 (which are pretty much the same tanks).  T23 is being "temporarily removed" and replaced by the Pershing, then the rest.

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View Postlightbearer, on Jun 23 2011 - 21:37, said:

It is a T20 that gets to fight bigger enemies.  You may have more hit points, but they have bigger guns.
-Don't worry though, you DON'T get a bigger gun.  You may as well just throw danishes at the enemy, you might do more damage.

So far in the battles that I have fought with my T23 (all measly 32 of them) I have seen the EXACT SAME tanks I was playing with my T20.  In fact they are the same tanks I was seeing more often than not in the Easy8.  The matches lately have been extremely top heavy (pun intended) with tiers 8,9,10 against just about anything higher than tier 6.

It is better to be in a T23 (with a few more hitpoints and better speed to get out of dodge) than in a T20.

I have no issue having "only" the 90.  I can do damage to the big boys.  Yes it is not huge quantities but played carefully and well (I try but don't always succeed) the T23 can get the job done.  The 90 has plenty of pen potential it just doesn't do huge quantities of damage which is a problem only if the heavy you are shooting at can shoot back before you move.