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The_Chieftain #1 Posted Jun 04 2015 - 19:54

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I'm going to be efficient this week. Instead of spending a whole lot of time typing, I'm just going to link to a video. Preparing for the video took enough typing as it was, so it all evens out.

Background: A few months ago, the lads at the Flying Heritage Collection asked if I would be willing to give a talk at their annual Tankfest NorthWest event. Well, as it turned out, I certainly would.

Given a total lack of suggestion, I decided I'd continue on my Sherman/TD rant, with a larger audience. This audience expanded considerably by the presence of one of our lads with a video camera. He was unable to cover the Q&A section at the end, but if you have questions, I'll be happy to respond on the forum.

Anyway, enjoy. It's about 45 minutes long.

  

 
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Walter_Sobchak #2 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 13:46

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I'm only two minutes into the video and I'm already loving it.

_Koi #3 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 14:03

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Wow, this is really good!

 

Like "operation think tank" good.



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I'm totally fangirling over this!

nightz #5 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 17:57

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Rather lazy of you to post a video.

 

Disappointing...



Belesarius #6 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 17:57

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Great video. Thanks for the share Chieftain.

Cruiser_Ontario #7 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 18:39

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I liked the bit about how the M26's broke down in Korea and the crews simply replaced them with Shermans. I've talked to Korean war vets who were tankers and they told me that the Sherman was the primary battle tank even then!

CombatBoss #8 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 19:07

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OUTSTANDING!  One of the most informative and accurate videos on US tanks of WWII that I have ever come across.

Leth4lTiger #9 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 19:28

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Dang... Why did I not know of this event? I live in WA and would've been there in a heartbeat... dang it. Great lecture, btw.

_Koi #10 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 19:29

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View PostCombatBoss, on Jun 06 2015 - 18:07, said:

OUTSTANDING!  One of the most informative and accurate videos on US tanks of WWII that I have ever come across.

definitly look into the "operation think tank" series of videos.



Lion0 #11 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 19:33

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Great video.  Very worth it to watch.  Thanks.

repsolroger #12 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 20:37

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was there for this .. it was very imformative.

cant wait for next year



Hanger_18 #13 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 21:04

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that was very nice

Dukebarry #14 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 21:59

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I would love to see more videos like this.

Nice work.


Edited by Dukebarry, Jun 06 2015 - 22:51.


Strv74 #15 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 22:55

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Chief,

 

There is quite heavy speculation in some areas that the M10 "Wolverine" moniker comes from the Canadian conversion of a Ram II (very modified), in order to test whether it was worth buying / building.

 

This explains the animal quite well. 



Dominatus #16 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 23:03

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View PostStrv74, on Jun 06 2015 - 16:55, said:

There is quite heavy speculation in some areas that the M10 "Wolverine" moniker comes from the Canadian conversion of a Ram II (very modified), in order to test whether it was worth buying / building.

Couple of people (including Chief, I think) looked into it before and couldn't find anything suggesting that I'm afraid.



The_Chieftain #17 Posted Jun 06 2015 - 23:41

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Correct. We had hoped that the recently published book on Canadian armour would shed some light on the subject and we reached out to the author. Although it is certainly the best explanation for "Wolverine", it seems also unfounded

Strv74 #18 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 00:32

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Well shucks.

 

To be honest, it probably is Canadian, but got burned. I have yet to find another credible explanation. 



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One thing I don't understand is that he says they were killing panthers and such in Italy with their 75's without HVAP, then why did that change in Normandy? Was it the range of engagement? To me the statement requires a bit of explanation. If the armour board thought they didn't need the HVAP, what changed their mind in Normandy? Also, he never mentions the German level of face hardening for their armour. As one of his articles points to this as a reason why the armour boards where reassured their guns could take out tigers and panthers. There seems to be a gap of information here.

Priory_of_Sion #20 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 01:13

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View PostMWO_Derusha, on Jun 06 2015 - 19:05, said:

One thing I don't understand is that he says they were killing panthers and such in Italy with their 75's without HVAP, then why did that change in Normandy? Was it the range of engagement? To me the statement requires a bit of explanation. If the armour board thought they didn't need the HVAP, what changed their mind in Normandy? Also, he never mentions the German level of face hardening for their armour. As one of his articles points to this as a reason why the armour boards where reassured their guns could take out tigers and panthers. There seems to be a gap of information here.

A 75 mm would kill a Panther easily from the side.

 

I liked the ground-attack part of the video. The HS 129 and IL-2 still way overestimated their kills.


Edited by Priory_of_Sion, Jun 07 2015 - 01:16.





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