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kayjay #41 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 03:26

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re Stuart as 'Honey'  I cant find my copy right now but Robert Crisps 'Brazen Chariots'

as I recall his driver referred to the Stuart as a 'Honey'.

 

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shapeshifter #42 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 03:39

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Jun 06 2015 - 17:41, said:

Correct. We had hoped that the recently published book on Canadian armour would shed some light on the subject and we reached out to the author. Although it is certainly the best explanation for "Wolverine", it seems also unfounded

 

Canadian bit at least on armoured cars.

 

 

 

 

AFV naming July 1943.

 

http://imgur.com/a/IuGrO

 

 

There's more for various dates but it's spread out all over the place.

 


Edited by shapeshifter, Jun 07 2015 - 04:01.


shapeshifter #43 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 03:56

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Here's a 1942 version.

 

http://imgur.com/a/8XkNY


Bear and Buffalo

 

 

 

January 1942

 

http://imgur.com/a/dcfWn

 

 

No date on these, but considering they refer to it as the T6 medium for the Sherman I assume 1941.

 

 

 


Edited by shapeshifter, Jun 07 2015 - 04:09.


shapeshifter #44 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 04:20

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Up to at least mid 1944 they refer to the M10 as:

 

M10 (Carrier) 3-inch. sometimes with A.A. tacked on the end.

 

I'll see if they change that in 1945 if they have any lists for that year.



The_Chieftain #45 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 04:21

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Interesting. So either the Canadians ignored Churchill, or they simply made the common mistake of putting "general" in front of it. My talk is obsolete already.

Meplat #46 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 04:22

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View PostMGWent73, on Jun 06 2015 - 17:47, said:

I still don't understand how a "brit" is America's resident on armor.  I don't appreciate the fact that you down play American tankers. You are a brit, you have no place to do so. In you PowerPoint show, you have a picture of you in a (guess what, an American M1). You also fail to mention that the british used American tanks on a lend lease program because your country couldn't produce tanks that were worth anything.  You also throw tank destroyers in the mix, a different animal altogether.  I see how you play the crowd to your ends.  some of your points are valid and I accept that, but you talk a lot of crap, I'm an AMERICAN TANKER AND A MASTER GUNNER ON THE M1A1, M1A2 SEP, AND THE MGS. So if you want to butt heads, contact me.

 

Wat..



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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Jun 06 2015 - 20:21, said:

Interesting. So either the Canadians ignored Churchill, or they simply made the common mistake of putting "general" in front of it. My talk is obsolete already.

 

Except Canadians are not British :P

shapeshifter #48 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 04:22

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Jun 06 2015 - 22:21, said:

Interesting. So either the Canadians ignored Churchill, or they simply made the common mistake of putting "general" in front of it. My talk is obsolete already.

 

Sorry Chief :(

shapeshifter #49 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 04:29

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1944 version.
 


 

http://imgur.com/a/wpywE

 

 

Canadian version 1943?

 


Edited by shapeshifter, Jun 07 2015 - 04:47.


shapeshifter #50 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 04:55

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Starting to hit 1945 stuff.

 

 

http://imgur.com/a/WIJsB


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shapeshifter #51 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 05:05

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They say SP artillery is covered under another section for names but I have yet to see it.

 

They do call the M10 with the 17 pdr

 

"Sherman M10 17pdr" at times, so they may have called the regular 3" the "Sherman M10 3-inch"


Edited by shapeshifter, Jun 07 2015 - 05:38.


Avalon304 #52 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 05:17

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View PostWalter_Sobchak, on Jun 06 2015 - 16:49, said:

 

I suggest you read this article and then edit your post into an apology.  

 

TIL: The Chieftain is an officer in the Nevada Army Nation Guard... somehow that makes living in Nevada better... also Chieftain... why didnt they give you... like a music stand or a podium or something... stooping over to get your notes couldn't have been pleasant... was a good talk though.



Kyphe #53 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 05:22

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View PostDaigensui, on Jun 07 2015 - 04:22, said:

 

Except Canadians are not British :P

 

Canada did not gain full independence from the UK government until 1982. By rights all Canadian armor like the RAM should have been moved to the British tech tree. My Canadian GF was quite miffed to see it in the US tree.

Edited by Kyphe, Jun 07 2015 - 05:24.


Legiondude #54 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 05:28

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View PostKyphe, on Jun 06 2015 - 22:22, said:

 

Canada did not gain full independence from the UK government until 1982. By rights all Canadian armor like the RAM should have been moved to the British tech tree. My Canadian GF was quite miffed to see it in the US tree.

 

EventuallyTM



Daigensui #55 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 06:23

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View PostKyphe, on Jun 06 2015 - 21:22, said:

Canada did not gain full independence from the UK government until 1982. 

 

Meh, I don't give much damn about Repatriation.



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More myth debunking please. I enjoyed the entire lecture, Chieftain!

Gnoman #57 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 07:26

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View PostMWO_Derusha, on Jun 07 2015 - 00:05, said:

One thing I don't understand is that he says they were killing panthers and such in Italy with their 75's without HVAP, then why did that change in Normandy? Was it the range of engagement? To me the statement requires a bit of explanation. If the armour board thought they didn't need the HVAP, what changed their mind in Normandy? Also, he never mentions the German level of face hardening for their armour. As one of his articles points to this as a reason why the armour boards where reassured their guns could take out tigers and panthers. There seems to be a gap of information here.

 

Sightlines. France had a huge number of very flat fields the Allies simply had to cross to get to the bridges needed to press forward. Plant a few Panthers at the far side of those fields, and every approach is covered by their high-velocity doomcannon, forcing a long range frontal engagement, the only sort a Panther was particularly good at. Elsewhere, the terrain rarely made such a fight the only way to approach, and it was much easier to come from the side where the Panther practically had tissue-paper for armor.

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View Postkayjay, on Jun 07 2015 - 03:26, said:

re Stuart as 'Honey'  I cant find my copy right now but Robert Crisps 'Brazen Chariots'

as I recall his driver referred to the Stuart as a 'Honey'.

 

When you are ready to do ships let me know,.

 

Yeah, I seem to remember a documentary a few years back where the Desert Rats claimed they coined the name.

Edited by Ronin0985, Jun 07 2015 - 08:38.


DemonsofRazgriz #59 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 10:43

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Solid video my good sir

Zergling #60 Posted Jun 07 2015 - 13:46

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Wasn't the number of Panthers encountered in Normandy much higher than in Italy too?




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