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What equipment do you use on the IS?

  1. Improved Ventilation Class 3 (436 votes [19.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.68%

  2. Wet Ammo Rack (20 votes [0.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.90%

  3. Toolbox (134 votes [6.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.05%

  4. Large-caliber Tank Gun Rammer (670 votes [30.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.23%

  5. Large Spall Liner (103 votes [4.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.65%

  6. Fill Tanks with CO2 (11 votes [0.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.50%

  7. Enchanced Torsion Bars 5+ t Class (9 votes [0.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.41%

  8. Enchanced Gun Laying Drive (411 votes [18.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.55%

  9. Cyclone Filter (8 votes [0.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.36%

  10. Coated Optics (64 votes [2.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.89%

  11. Binocular Telescope (108 votes [4.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.87%

  12. Camouflage Net (142 votes [6.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.41%

  13. None (100 votes [4.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.51%

What Consumables do you use on the IS?

  1. Large Repair Kit (47 votes [2.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.12%

  2. Large First Aid Kit (37 votes [1.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.67%

  3. Extra Combat Rations (8 votes [0.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.36%

  4. Automatic Fire Extinguishers (38 votes [1.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.72%

  5. Lend-Lease Oil (33 votes [1.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.49%

  6. Small Repair Kit (672 votes [30.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.35%

  7. Small First Aid Kit (618 votes [27.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.91%

  8. Removed Speed Governor (69 votes [3.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  9. Manual Fire Extinguishers (553 votes [24.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.98%

  10. None (139 votes [6.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.28%

Which gun do you use?

  1. 85mm D-5T (11 votes [1.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.27%

  2. 86mm D5T-85BM (6 votes [0.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.69%

  3. 100mm D10T (117 votes [13.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.46%

  4. 122mm D-2-5T (91 votes [10.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.47%

  5. 122mm D-25T (644 votes [74.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 74.11%

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Chaosticket #41 Posted Aug 09 2011 - 15:38

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I do, again its so unrealistic. the Real 100mm could penetrate 200mm armor at 1000meters, and 140mm firing at 60 degree armor at the same range. In otherwords, it would be able to kill all the tier 9 mediums, and all the heavies with lower armor than the Tiger 2 at 1000mm, and kill the Tiger 2 at mid range.
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The IS either has a decent accuracy, huge cost derp in the 122, or the weak 100mm using HE.

thanks to the weak guns on the IS im not going for the USSR Tank Destroyers, as they have the same problem. They have the su-85 with the 107 which is pretty good, the su-100 has either crappy 100mm or 122mm, then the 152 derp at tier 7, and FINALLY get a great gun at tier 8 with the ISU-152, with its super penetration 152 gun. 3 full tiers until the tank destroyers actually upgrade.

the USSR heavies dont upgrade from the Kv-107 until tier 8, with the IS-3 using a high penetration 122mm.
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su-85/kv-2=great guns, ok defense
su-100/kv-3=worse guns for su-100 and same gun on kv-3, but much tougher
su-152/is-2=su-152 has huge derp but low mobility, is-2 has high mobility but really weak gun.

hoom #42 Posted Aug 10 2011 - 13:11

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I love the IS, one of my favourites in beta.
I've just got it again in last few days, maxed the loadout last night & having a ball again  :Smile-playing:

122mm D-25T is where its at for guns, yes it doesn't have amazing penetration but when you do that 390 damage makes most tanks squeal.
Lower tiers are liable to be one-shot & hull/turret side shots on higher tiers will send them scuttling for cover.
Accuracy was .37 previously, I'm not sure that I appreciate the nerf to .4 which seems a bit extreme especially combined with 3 second aim time. Still, I managed to whack a JP through a window diagonally across campikova today  :Smile_harp:
I grind to the D-25T with the 100mm (researched either on KV3 or T34-85).

With the upgraded engine IS is pretty snappy at accelerating which is great for hide & seek, top speed is OK but not amazing.
As others said it feels a lot like a medium especially with the 100mm gun.
Its quick enough to move between two fronts in one battle which is a big difference from KV/KV3!

I find IS gets a reasonable number of battles where its top tier, great fun roaming with good speed & powerful gun where KV/KV3 speed/reload/turret slowness can let small guys get away.
Where you're a low tier tank the 122 can lay down a fair amount of support fire. HE does decent damage to things that can't be penetrated or use the mobility to flank/find easier targets.

Chaosticket #43 Posted Aug 10 2011 - 14:11

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122mm D-25T, 1000 credits bounces, need I say more?

hoom #44 Posted Aug 10 2011 - 15:39

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Honestly bouncing is less of a problem than the missing completely.
I actually don't have much of an issue making money with it despite misses & bounces.
Not massive amounts but often a few K even on losses & maybe 15K net on a good win with no premium.

One thing I'd really like to see is the hull changed to the main production model with single slope glacis & no drivers' hatch.

panzerwagoneer #45 Posted Aug 14 2011 - 17:43

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The problem here is the KV-3 and the IS-3 are front line tanks where as the IS isn't. This throws people playing the Soviet Line off because they have consistently been told and proven right that Soviet tanks are brawlers and front line tanks. The IS fails in this regard because of its poor armor. This isn't any fault of its own but more a fault of tier 7 which is the first tier American and German tanks get guns that can reliably put the hurt on Soviet Armor without having to flank or be creative in their approach. I find it easier when I am not top dog in a match to follow someone who is Top dog. Stay back and wait until they get in an engagement then try to flank the distracted enemy or support from behind him with HE. The 122 is inaccurate and the IS is weak against higher tiers and people know this, This gives you an advantage because most people will ignore you to fire at the IS-3 or Tiger 2 allowing you to get behind them or to the side of them and ruining their day. This approach though needs one thing that the Soviet Line has not encouraged up to this point, patience. More important then patience though is a very good situational awareness of whats going on in the battle field. So use your mini maps, talk to your team and have patience and you guys might find the IS a more tolerable grind until you get that IS-3 we are all gunning for.

Chaosticket #46 Posted Aug 14 2011 - 20:22

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First of all, teammates are pretty much always going to suck unless you use Teamspeak or something.

The IS is plain worse than the T-43, and in fact all the tier 7 mediums. The IS just doesnt have have the qualities of a heavy or medium. Its a half-way, which translates poorly as it cant penetrate or deflect most targets, and cant move faster than the turrets, making in an easy target while moving.

I would rate its armor and weapon as low, and speed as medium. The Kv-3 had high armor and weapon, but low speed. The Kv-1s had high speed, low armor, low-medium weapons.

The IS is a downgrade from the KV-1s speed and the kv-3 in terms of armor and relative weapons. Its just a grind to the is-3 using the low penetration 100mm and fast turret or 122 and slow turret, HOPING that the sloping armor, high armor turret, and higher penetration bl-9 122mm arent just fake stats.

Dihm #47 Posted Aug 15 2011 - 21:00

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I love my IS now that I've got it all researched, more than any other tier 7 I've had (KV-13, T-43).  My best tank as far as stats go also.  I tend to play it more like a slow medium than anything.  The Match Maker is much nicer to it than my T-43, I tend to clean house whenever I'm the top tank.

MR_magician_PK #48 Posted Aug 16 2011 - 05:52

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is is just awsome with 100mm d1ot gun
better armour than crapy is 3

hansiboy107 #49 Posted Aug 18 2011 - 10:41

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i am actually not sure what gun i should use now, it conserns how lowe penetration it have <_<
100 mm got better rof, pen, and i earned much more with 100mm

Rypper #50 Posted Aug 18 2011 - 17:32

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100 mm has the same penetration, as 122 mm - 175 mm. It has one advantage over D-25T - accuracy, letting you hit weak spots at medium range. With 122 mm, you are forced to be in close flanking stuff. I usually prefer accurate guns myself, but in my experience D-25T plays to this tank's strengths better. IS is agile enough to flank in close, and longer reloads expose your tank to enemy fire less often and give more time to reposition after a shot without sacrificing your DPM. IS also absolutely needs that fear factor that alpha damage provides to keep enemy at bay and deal with them one at a time.

Remember, your gun is slow to aim and not very accurate, so either be in a position to strike first and retreat to safety before they can answer, or attack while they are distracted or reloading.

In general, you earn more with 100 mm - but only because of the significantly higher cost of 122 mm AP ammo, not because 100 mm performs better. Play IS the way it was meant to be played: in close quarters - and 122 mm will shine.

Module damage and fires can be a problem at times, so try to avoid getting hit - use hard cover, never be still for too long and move unpredictably, always angle your hull and turret, carry the repair and medical kits.

Upgraded engine improves handling significantly and is used by IS-3, ISU and Object, so... get it.

Suggested equipment - GLD, rammer, vents.

GoodGameXXX #51 Posted Aug 19 2011 - 21:46

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Very Nice post!

hansiboy107 #52 Posted Aug 20 2011 - 10:11

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on my IS i use camo toolbox and large-caliber tank rammer.
when i am at top IS tends to kill all the others :rolleyes: with 122 mm and the armor is great, i must have bounced like 10 rounds from tiger p in one match! :P

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Max Reverse Speed: 14kph
Track Armor: 20mm
Max Track Health: 190hp (After Tracked 145hp)
Max Gun Elevation/Depression: 25deg/-6deg
Gun Armor: 50mm

Chaosticket #54 Posted Aug 26 2011 - 20:11

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Ok Ill put this more fair. The IS's main problem is the low quality of its guns.

The 100mm has FAR less effectiveness than real life. It is only average accuracy and its penetration is low enough to penetrate at freakish times such as short range on a Hetzer or Vk3601 H, which it should easily penetrate. Its RoF is higher than 107mm, but lowe damage. Overall its justa  net loss. DONT use this on the kv-3, its a big mistake.

the 2 122mms both have high damage and slow ROF. They are by far the highest cost "regular" guns in the game at the point in the russian heavy(about the same as the 152mm "super derp" for the kv-2). The huge ammo costs of AP shells for it, combined with the same penetration as the 107mm and 100mm, means they arent worth carrying. 1000 credit bounces is ridiculous as the shells wont make up their costs even if they do penetrate. HE rounds are still quite expensive, but at least you will actually do damage.

the 122mms are more accurate than the average howitzer-type "DERP" but thats what they are. the 122mms also have the disadvantage of forcing you to mount the second IS turret, which is a downgrade, as it raises HP/repair costs, and is slower.
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the IS is just overall the weakest tier 7 heavy because its guns have low penetration and its armor is weak. It does have advantages in terms of speed and smaller size than the others. It plays much like a slow medium tank.

I often compare it to the t-43, tier 7 russian medium. The t-43 has lower Hp/repair costs, the same 100mm, much faster, and better defense because its armor is lower, but sloped.

I think another comparison would be the T1 heavy US tank at tier 5. The T1 also has a weak gun for a heavy, but strong speed(once you get the expensive engine), gives it an advantage. a big difference is that at tier 5 their arent alot of guns that can penetrate the front armor of the T1. at Tier 7, their are pretty much NO guns that wont penetrate the IS's armor, even several tier 6 vehicles can be strong threats such as the 90mm US gun used on the M6 heavy and M36 Jackson/slugger.

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View PostChaosticket, on Aug 26 2011 - 20:11, said:

Ok Ill put this more fair. The IS's main problem is the low quality of its guns.

The 100mm has FAR less effectiveness than real life. It is only average accuracy and its penetration is low enough to penetrate at freakish times such as short range on a Hetzer or Vk3601 H, which it should easily penetrate. Its RoF is higher than 107mm, but lowe damage. Overall its justa  net loss. DONT use this on the kv-3, its a big mistake.

The penetration is fine, I don't have any problem with it. Accuracy is not good, but if you are trying to snipe with this tank you are using it wrong anyways.

the 2 122mms both have high damage and slow ROF. They are by far the highest cost "regular" guns in the game at the point in the russian heavy(about the same as the 152mm "super derp" for the kv-2). The huge ammo costs of AP shells for it, combined with the same penetration as the 107mm and 100mm, means they arent worth carrying. 1000 credit bounces is ridiculous as the shells wont make up their costs even if they do penetrate. HE rounds are still quite expensive, but at least you will actually do damage.

They sure do make up for their cost. May I point out that the T29 does 320 damage, and it's shells cost 1k? Or what about the 10.5 on the Tiger II? Really, 1k per shell is fine if you do 390 damage.

the 122mms are more accurate than the average howitzer-type "DERP" but thats what they are. the 122mms also have the disadvantage of forcing you to mount the second IS turret, which is a downgrade, as it raises HP/repair costs, and is slower.

The top turret's rotation is only a problem if you are brawling or playing close to your enemy, which is not what the IS is meant for. The extra 100 HP is worth the extra repair costs.

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the IS is just overall the weakest tier 7 heavy because its guns have low penetration and its armor is weak. It does have advantages in terms of speed and smaller size than the others. It plays much like a slow medium tank.

The armor is the best of all the tier 7 Heavies, in my opinion. The T29 is close, but the odd angles on the IS's front hull bounce lots. Of course, the T29 does have more turret armor. It holds it's speed much better than the T29, and has a higher top speed than the Tiger.

I often compare it to the t-43, tier 7 russian medium. The t-43 has lower Hp/repair costs, the same 100mm, much faster, and better defense because its armor is lower, but sloped.

The IS has 130 hit points more. The armor is better, especially in the sides and turret. Honestly, if less hit points is better for you, then Russian tanks are best. The 100mm is not the best gun on the IS. With the 122 you have amazing alpha damage, and the IS is quick enough for flanking maneuvers.

I think another comparison would be the T1 heavy US tank at tier 5. The T1 also has a weak gun for a heavy, but strong speed(once you get the expensive engine), gives it an advantage. a big difference is that at tier 5 their arent alot of guns that can penetrate the front armor of the T1. at Tier 7, their are pretty much NO guns that wont penetrate the IS's armor, even several tier 6 vehicles can be strong threats such as the 90mm US gun used on the M6 heavy and M36 Jackson/slugger.

Of course you won't bounce every shot, which is the mentality that KV-3 drivers get when they play that tank. Maybe you are expecting too much armor out of a heavy that holds it's speed like a medium.


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You can't say that its not meant for sniping but at the same time not meant for brawling or close up fighting.

The best you can do with this tank is treat it like a medium you have 0 armor your gun accuracy and penetration suck so shooting at the front of a enemy tank will bounce so you have to flank enemies and hope you can outrun slower heavies turret rotation.

The best armor for tier 7 imo TigerP>t29>IS>TigerH

Starhoof #57 Posted Aug 31 2011 - 23:45

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Really interesting tank to play, it's not as protected as KV3 but it doesn't play like it either, it has more emphasis on speed and maneuverability and plays more like KV-1s. Just because its a different play style than one you're used to, doesn't make it a bad tank. You have to adjust your play style for every tank, as tank doesn't adjust to you.

Dinoman1111 #58 Posted Sep 07 2011 - 02:37

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I went

      1. Turret(You gotta know why.)
      2.Engine(For mobility)
      3.Tacks(To increase mobility remember, this tank was made for mobility)
      4.122mm(Read turret description :P)
      5.Radio(Not worth all the Xp when you first get it, trust me)
From what i learned from this tank is all that it really is, it's just an oversized medium tank. It reminds me alot of my much preferable IS-3 just alittle more well, crappy. Make sure to flank, don't try get get caught in the open and, please don't take on other teir8+ without backup...

Chaosticket #59 Posted Sep 09 2011 - 03:29

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Really the 100mm russian gun should be better than it is. The 100mm, like 57mm was rejected due to its rarity and lack of all round capability. Both guns were in fact much better than the all round guns, as they were more or less converted anti-tank guns for tanks.

The 100mm should have 200 penetration. in RL the 100mm used on the Kv-3, IS, and Is-3(ingame) has huge penetration and high shell velocity, much more than the 122mm.

simple example is that the 100mm has 140mm penetration against a 60 degree slope at 1000meters, thats enough to penetrate anything below tier 9 ingame, but its the least effective gun used by tier 6-7, way worse than the 88mm on the Tiger or 105mm on the T29(i think ammo is cheaper though).

The IS is just underpowered with the 100mm. The 122 is more or less a derp, the 100mm is an anti-tank gun.

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Chaosticket, if you really hate that tank so much what are you doing in that topic ? Maybe you wanna show people that don't have it how bad it is ? I hate people like you.Just leave people try it and decide if it is good or not.Yea I would understand if you just said "I don like this tank its guns are bad in my opinion." But you didn't.You had to troll 10 times how bad the tank is.Why?

As for the tank I've tested it in beta with 100% crew, rammer/vents/liner and I like it. It is best at city maps like Himmelsdorf and S.line but I've hit and damaged things while sniping across the map with 122mm gun on Malinovka.IS is mobile, have good slope, high alpha and its cool looking. I like it.




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