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Klaatu_Nicto #21 Posted Jul 29 2015 - 18:01

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View PostKing_Baboon, on Jul 29 2015 - 08:34, said:

 

 

Because eventually if it wasn't me it was going to be someone else that posted this.

 

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Chairborne #22 Posted Jul 29 2015 - 18:18

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Klaatu_Nicto #23 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 07:36

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brawler1967 #24 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 14:28

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View PostBaader_Meinhoff_Complex, on Jul 21 2015 - 16:49, said:

 

Krental, be careful man.  I noticed recently they have been locking these threads.  Good luck keeping it open, but the usual suspects might show up again, to get it locked etc.... 

 

You have to love those, lonely. lonely, usual suspects. You Know Who You Are.

brawler1967 #25 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 14:30

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View PostMrDoomed, on Jul 27 2015 - 20:13, said:

What ? ? ? A so called scientists is wrong for the 100000000 time this week ? No way. Someone here is going to tell you how you are wrong lol.

 

Shhhhhhh maybe if you just ignored certain people they wouldn't respond.

brawler1967 #26 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 14:33

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View PostMrDoomed, on Jul 29 2015 - 12:39, said:

Ok , and ? I know you are iy interested in a fight but i see no other point in your point. You might as well say water is wet while youre at it. Lol. You so funny.

This will get this thread locked, I really don't want that to happen, AGAIN. So please turn the other cheek and ignore. Continue with this thread as before, and lets keep it going. Just ignore the haters.



brawler1967 #27 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 14:38

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It will be great to get the asteroids ready for mining. I just hope they start with a base on the moon. Makes more sense to have something there to sort, refine, and then get everything shipped to Earth. Besides with all the nasty viruses and diseases hybernating on those things, the earth would get wiped out in a month. So its best to find them on the moon first.

Nukelavee45 #28 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 15:07

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View Postmattwong, on Jul 22 2015 - 19:18, said:

 

They've been locking these threads because they always drift to a particular subject where it always ends up being the people with scientific education arguing against the people without scientific education, and the people without scientific education resort to political arguments, because that's all they know.  And political arguments are not allowed.

 

Actually, its because people who claim their understanding of science trumps others, and try to declare what is a valid topic or not then derailing things.

 

Basically, if it isn't schoolgirl cartoons, some folks get trolltastic.



MrDoomed #29 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 15:22

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Will man learn faster than light travel or an alternate way to live before our sun turns into a red dwarf and destroys the earth and extinguishes the light from our solar system?  

It boggles my mind sometimes when i think about a few billion years from now that no matter if man is alive and getting along on earth ir mars or a moon we will be gone when our sun dies unless we can get to another star.

Maybe a alternative star will be made like in star trek lol.

Klaatu_Nicto #30 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 17:05

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View Postbrawler1967, on Jul 31 2015 - 05:38, said:

It will be great to get the asteroids ready for mining. I just hope they start with a base on the moon. Makes more sense to have something there to sort, refine, and then get everything shipped to Earth. Besides with all the nasty viruses and diseases hybernating on those things, the earth would get wiped out in a month. So its best to find them on the moon first.

 

Recently an asteroid passed by earth with what they estimate contains $3 trillion worth of platinum.



Klaatu_Nicto #31 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 17:18

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View PostMrDoomed, on Jul 31 2015 - 06:22, said:

Will man learn faster than light travel or an alternate way to live before our sun turns into a red dwarf and destroys the earth and extinguishes the light from our solar system?

It boggles my mind sometimes when i think about a few billion years from now that no matter if man is alive and getting along on earth ir mars or a moon we will be gone when our sun dies unless we can get to another star.

Maybe a alternative star will be made like in star trek lol.

 



Klaatu_Nicto #32 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 17:21

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mattwong #33 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 17:48

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View PostNukelavee45, on Jul 31 2015 - 09:07, said:

Actually, its because people who claim their understanding of science trumps others, and try to declare what is a valid topic or not then derailing things.

 

Basically, if it isn't schoolgirl cartoons, some folks get trolltastic.

 

Actually, they have these places called "schools" where people can get degrees which certify that your understanding of science DOES in fact trump that of others.

mattwong #34 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 17:50

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View PostMrDoomed, on Jul 31 2015 - 09:22, said:

Will man learn faster than light travel or an alternate way to live before our sun turns into a red dwarf and destroys the earth and extinguishes the light from our solar system?

 

Theoretically, we could colonize the universe without faster-than-light travel.  We just need to be able to build spaceships that can function for hundreds of years.

 

It might be that the universe simply does not allow faster-than-light travel.  Sci-fi fans always think it's not a matter of "if", but of "when", and they cite the fact that mankind once thought we couldn't fly.  But we could see birds fly all the time, so it was obviously possible.  We just didn't know if WE could do it.  In this case, we're talking about something that we've never observed anywhere in the universe.  It might be that it just can't be done.



Nukelavee45 #35 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 18:19

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View Postmattwong, on Jul 31 2015 - 17:48, said:

 

Actually, they have these places called "schools" where people can get degrees which certify that your understanding of science DOES in fact trump that of others.

 

Not seeing any certifications cited here, tho - just people making claims they have a lock on what counts and doesn't count.  At best, we have people citing, say, a geophysics degree means they know all the science in every field.

 

But - does this mean any time art,history, or graphic design is a topic on the forums you'll gracefully admit my degrees trump yours?



Klaatu_Nicto #36 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 19:55

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July 2008: Ronald Herberman, director of the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute, shocked just about all law-abiding scientists (abiding by laws of physics, that is) with his warning last week to his faculty and staff that cell phones might pose a cancer risk.

 

November 2008: A top official at the National Cancer Institute (NCI) told a congressional panel that published scientific data indicates cell phones are safe.

 

November 2012: There's no convincing evidence that cellphone use increases the risk of cancer. - Mayo Clinic

 

August 2014: CDC Retracts its Precautionary Health Warning about Cell Phone Radiation – Replaces it with wireless industry spin.

 

December 2014: Many scientists believe that cell phones aren’t able to cause cancer. - American Cancer Society

 

July 29, 2015: New Study - Cellphone radiation can cause cancer

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/cellphone-radiation-cancer-study-article-1.2308509



MrDoomed #37 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 19:59

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View PostKrentel, on Jul 31 2015 - 19:55, said:

July 2008: Ronald Herberman, director of the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute, shocked just about all law-abiding scientists (abiding by laws of physics, that is) with his warning last week to his faculty and staff that cell phones might pose a cancer risk.

 

November 2008: A top official at the National Cancer Institute (NCI) told a congressional panel that published scientific data indicates cell phones are safe.

 

November 2012: There's no convincing evidence that cellphone use increases the risk of cancer. - Mayo Clinic

 

August 2014: CDC Retracts its Precautionary Health Warning about Cell Phone Radiation – Replaces it with wireless industry spin.

 

December 2014: Many scientists believe that cell phones aren’t able to cause cancer. - American Cancer Society

 

July 29, 2015: New Study - Cellphone radiation can cause cancer

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/cellphone-radiation-cancer-study-article-1.2308509

Lol.



Klaatu_Nicto #38 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 20:12

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View Postmattwong, on Jul 31 2015 - 08:50, said:

 

Theoretically, we could colonize the universe without faster-than-light travel.  We just need to be able to build spaceships that can function for hundreds of years.

 

It might be that the universe simply does not allow faster-than-light travel.  Sci-fi fans always think it's not a matter of "if", but of "when", and they cite the fact that mankind once thought we couldn't fly.  But we could see birds fly all the time, so it was obviously possible.  We just didn't know if WE could do it.  In this case, we're talking about something that we've never observed anywhere in the universe.  It might be that it just can't be done.

 

Last year the SyFy channel aired a pilot about a generation ship on a 100 year trip to a new world to be colonized. That show brought up something I'd never thought about but could be an issue in real life. The people who first set out on the voyage volunteered so no problem there and their grandchildren will be alive to colonize the new world so no problem there either The problem is with the middle generation who did not volunteer, who will not live long enough to see the new world and who are not allowed to have self-determination.  Also, in order for a generation ship to succeed, it would have to be very authoritarian or totalitarian which would translate to the new world when they arrive. Is that the kind of new world humanity wants?

 


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View PostKrentel, on Jul 31 2015 - 14:12, said:

 

Last year the SyFy channel aired a pilot about a generation ship on a 100 year trip to a new world to be colonized. That show brought up something I'd never thought about but could be an issue in real life. The people who first set out on the voyage volunteered so no problem there and their grandchildren will be alive to colonize the new world so no problem there either The problem is with the middle generation who did not volunteer, who will not live long enough to see the new world and who are not allowed to have self-determination.  Also, in order for a generation ship to succeed, it would have to be very authoritarian or totalitarian which would translate to the new world when they arrive. Is that the kind of new world humanity wants?

 

 

Not to get philosophical, but do ANY of really have true self-determination?

mattwong #40 Posted Jul 31 2015 - 20:34

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View PostNukelavee45, on Jul 31 2015 - 12:19, said:

Not seeing any certifications cited here, tho - just people making claims they have a lock on what counts and doesn't count.  At best, we have people citing, say, a geophysics degree means they know all the science in every field.

 

But - does this mean any time art,history, or graphic design is a topic on the forums you'll gracefully admit my degrees trump yours?

 

Sure, if you have actual knowledge of the subject, then I would defer to your knowledge of it.  Why does this strike you as a strange thing to ask for?

The fact is that I happen to have an actual university education in engineering, including thermodynamics, so when I speak of that particular subject, I'm actually using something I'm particularly qualified in.  I don't pretend to know everything, but when I tell someone that he obviously has no idea what he's talking about in that particular arena, I actually happen to know what I'm talking about.





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