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M_A_G_N_A_V_O_X #1 Posted Aug 05 2015 - 22:23

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Looking at the Sentinel, it never looked like any other tank produced in the Commonwealth. 

 

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Look mainly at the suspension

 

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see the similarities?

 

Looking at this picture, the Sentinel looks like it takes design elements from British and French building customs. (French hull, British turret and gun) So this raises 2 questions.

 

  • Was it originally supposed to be filling a role similar to prewar French tanks? (troop support)?
  • Did Australia ever import and actively use French tanks to get inspired by them?

Thanks for any answer


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BlueBlossoms #2 Posted Aug 05 2015 - 22:23

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M_A_G_N_A_V_O_X #3 Posted Aug 05 2015 - 22:26

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View PostSystemRename38659, on Aug 05 2015 - 16:23, said:

I like dogs

 

Thats good to know. which dogs? German Shepards? Fox Terriers? Hot Dogs?

 

THESE ARE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO KNOW


Edited by eat3reat3r, Aug 05 2015 - 22:34.


lenticular #4 Posted Aug 05 2015 - 22:27

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Looks like a Sherman hull to me, but apparently it was based on the M3 Stuart.

SACEUR #5 Posted Aug 05 2015 - 22:28

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View Posteat3reat3r, on Aug 05 2015 - 13:26, said:

 

Thats good to know. which dogs? German Shepards? Fox Terriers? Hot Dogs?

 

Mmmmm hot dogs.....

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View PostSystemRename38659, on Aug 05 2015 - 13:23, said:

I like dogs

 

LOL REROLL !!!!

Life_In_Black #7 Posted Aug 05 2015 - 22:43

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The Sentinels were called Cruiser tanks by the Australians, and are based on the American M3 Lee/Grant in terms of the overall layout and suspension. It's just their own version of the US suspension IIRC.

Sturm_Teufel #8 Posted Aug 05 2015 - 23:37

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HermanBix #9 Posted Aug 05 2015 - 23:41

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Found this bit of information regarding the Sentinel drive. From British and American tanks of WWII by Peter Chamberlain and Chris Ellis.

 

 

"It was found that by redesigning the final drive to a much more simplified form it would be possible to build the necessary components in Australia. Meanwhile redesign had also been carried out on the bogies; originally vertical volute bogies of the M3 type were planned, but these were changed to horizontal volute pattern and proved much superior."


 

Much of the discussion talks about assistance from the United States who sent Colonel Watson in December of 1940 to help out on their program. No mention of French designed mentioned at all.

 

 



HermanBix #10 Posted Aug 05 2015 - 23:48

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Odd test bed vehicle in book shows Sentinel with twin 25 pounders to be fired simultaneously for recoil studies on mounting the 17 pounder armament. They actually produced 20% more recoil than the 17 pounder.

 

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View PostHermanBix, on Aug 05 2015 - 14:48, said:

Odd test bed vehicle in book shows Sentinel with twin 25 pounders to be fired simultaneously for recoil studies on mounting the 17 pounder armament. They actually produced 20% more recoil than the 17 pounder.

 

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If they put the Commonwealth line in the British tree.  ^That's the one they should make a Premium.  Like the MT-GLS, but guns fire at once, at the same target.

HermanBix #12 Posted Aug 06 2015 - 00:28

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View PostLife_In_Black, on Aug 05 2015 - 21:43, said:

The Sentinels were called Cruiser tanks by the Australians, and are based on the American M3 Lee/Grant in terms of the overall layout and suspension. It's just their own version of the US suspension IIRC.

 

Just like the British they classified their equivalent to the medium tanks as Cruiser tanks. Not sure why in game they are considered light tanks.

HermanBix #13 Posted Aug 06 2015 - 00:31

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View Postlenticular, on Aug 05 2015 - 21:27, said:

Looks like a Sherman hull to me, but apparently it was based on the M3 Stuart.

 

More along the lines of M3 Medium tank.

Life_In_Black #14 Posted Aug 06 2015 - 00:42

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View PostHermanBix, on Aug 05 2015 - 19:28, said:

 

Just like the British they classified their equivalent to the medium tanks as Cruiser tanks. Not sure why in game they are considered light tanks.

 

Well, in the case of the Sentinel, it's a little more clear-cut as to the Sentinels being medium tanks rather than lights. The Crusader on the other hand, kind of walks the line between the two. The Valentine and Matilda should really be heavies all things considered.

HermanBix #15 Posted Aug 06 2015 - 01:32

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View PostLife_In_Black, on Aug 05 2015 - 23:42, said:

 

Well, in the case of the Sentinel, it's a little more clear-cut as to the Sentinels being medium tanks rather than lights. The Crusader on the other hand, kind of walks the line between the two. The Valentine and Matilda should really be heavies all things considered.

 

Even the Crusader filled the role of a Medium tank. As to the Valentine and the Matilda you do make a good point as possibly more fitting to be considered an early heavy tank. Funny how the Valentine is considered a light in the game, but from a historical point of view was the Matilda infantry tanks replacement.

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View PostHermanBix, on Aug 05 2015 - 20:32, said:

 

Even the Crusader filled the role of a Medium tank. As to the Valentine and the Matilda you do make a good point as possibly more fitting to be considered an early heavy tank. Funny how the Valentine is considered a light in the game, but from a historical point of view was the Matilda infantry tanks replacement.

 

The Crusader filled the role of a medium tank, but I can see why it might be considered a light. Plus, the speed governor on the Crusader could be removed (and was done so in North Africa, IIRC), which allowed the vehicle to achieve speeds of 50-55mph, which while horrible for the engine, would make it a great scout in game if Wargaming were so inclined.

 

EDIT: Found the thread I was looking for: http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/259645-crusader-with-rolls-royce-merlin-mk-iii/


Edited by Life_In_Black, Aug 06 2015 - 01:43.


HermanBix #17 Posted Aug 06 2015 - 01:49

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View PostLife_In_Black, on Aug 06 2015 - 00:41, said:

 

The Crusader filled the role of a medium tank, but I can see why it might be considered a light. Plus, the speed governor on the Crusader could be removed (and was done so in North Africa, IIRC), which allowed the vehicle to achieve speeds of 50-55mph, which while horrible for the engine, would make it a great scout in game if Wargaming were so inclined.

 

The British did differentiate between light and Cruiser tanks though. The M3 Stuart (Honey) was considered a light tank and worked along side the Crusader cruiser tank. The Crusader found its origins in the A15 1938 Class Medium requirements. It basically was the main opponent for the German Mk III in North Africa, much respected for its speed, but little else.

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View PostHermanBix, on Aug 05 2015 - 20:49, said:

 

The British did differentiate between light and Cruiser tanks though. The M3 Stuart (Honey) was considered a light tank and worked along side the Crusader cruiser tank. The Crusader found its origins in the A15 1938 Class Medium requirements. It basically was the main opponent for the German Mk III in North Africa, much respected for its speed, but little else.

 

I meant seen as a light in terms of game classification. But changing it's designation over to that of a medium in-game wouldn't change anything given it gets normal matchmaking anyway, not scout matchmaking.

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View PostLife_In_Black, on Aug 06 2015 - 01:19, said:

 

I meant seen as a light in terms of game classification. But changing it's designation over to that of a medium in-game wouldn't change anything given it gets normal matchmaking anyway, not scout matchmaking.

 

At most looking at slight boost in hit points, maybe. This has to be one of the best discussions on the forum I have had in awhile. Just for your information, New Vanguard does and excellent series on armored vehicles and the one on the Crusader is good read.

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View PostHermanBix, on Aug 05 2015 - 21:22, said:

 

At most looking at slight boost in hit points, maybe. This has to be one of the best discussions on the forum I have had in awhile.

 

There's no real reason to keep it as a light tank either, especially as any future British light tank line would most likely start with a tier 3 Tetrarch anyway, and continue on with its own line to tier 8. If anything, the Stuart VI could be a bridge from the current tier 3 Stuart to a potential new light line, and the Crusader with the Rolls Royce engine and a 50mph top speed could be a premium tier 6 light tank.




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