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hyro010 #1 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 18:58

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super slow, gun sucks, only thing good is frontal armor but everyone loads heat or premium rounds and gameover.  please god I don't think I can grind this tank for 257k of xp.

SchnitzelTruck #2 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 19:09

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Play it in domination mode. Its actually really solid there because very few people fire prem.



DERP_IN_THE_FACE #3 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 19:09

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Lol and the ammo racks are so easy to hit :D I laughed at all the people that free expd to the tier 9

hyro010 #4 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 19:10

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and you can't side scrape too.  THIS TANK IS HORRIBLE.  

hyro010 #5 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 19:11

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the O-ho and the O-ni alot better tanks.  any game which I was top tier I could carry hard and bully every tank

hyro010 #6 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 19:25

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if I could change anything and still be balanced.  I would remove the little triangles so the thing can side scrape.  and give it better terrain resistance.  

power_Donky #7 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 19:40

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Jap heavies suck after the t6

SchnitzelTruck #8 Posted Sep 12 2015 - 20:01

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View Postpower_Donky, on Sep 12 2015 - 10:40, said:

Jap heavies suck after the t6

 

I dont like the tier6. Too sluggish, relies too much on armor that only works when top tier. Guns are crapvs tier8.

Guido1212 #9 Posted Sep 13 2015 - 13:17

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Yes, this is a gimped Maus at tier 9 with no side armor.  Wow it's terrible.

Gunn_Fyter #10 Posted Sep 13 2015 - 17:41

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If you don't like it, don't play it. Problem solved. 

 

Different countries used different philosophies when designing their fighting vehicles and the Japanese lines fit the Japanese philosophy of how wars should be fought, the same as every other country. If the heavies aren't playing like the heavies from other countries then you have to adapt and stop playing them that way. 

 

A poor worker always blames his tools. 


Edited by Gunn_Fyter, Sep 13 2015 - 17:41.


hyro010 #11 Posted Sep 14 2015 - 16:01

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View PostGunn_Fyter, on Sep 13 2015 - 11:41, said:

If you don't like it, don't play it. Problem solved. 

 

Different countries used different philosophies when designing their fighting vehicles and the Japanese lines fit the Japanese philosophy of how wars should be fought, the same as every other country. If the heavies aren't playing like the heavies from other countries then you have to adapt and stop playing them that way. 

 

A poor worker always blames his tools. 

 

so.... you think Germany made their tanks as square as possible to be able side scrape buildings? no.  Most of these tanks  were only done on paper.   As I have played every tier 9 heavy tank I understand the strengths of all of them.  So you think there is no situation where one can blame one's tools?  do you think the native american's blamed their bows and arrows when they lost to guns?  

Guido1212 #12 Posted Sep 15 2015 - 02:56

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View PostGunn_Fyter, on Sep 13 2015 - 16:41, said:

If you don't like it, don't play it. Problem solved.

 

Different countries used different philosophies when designing their fighting vehicles and the Japanese lines fit the Japanese philosophy of how wars should be fought, the same as every other country. If the heavies aren't playing like the heavies from other countries then you have to adapt and stop playing them that way.

 

A poor worker always blames his tools.

 

328 battles, yammers about design philosophies.

 



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View Postjsgx3, on Sep 14 2015 - 20:56, said:

 

328 battles, yammers about design philosophies.

 

 

The amount of battles you have in WoT does not change the fact that each nation did have different war-time designs/"philosophies" when it came to mobile armor.  

SuperTankDriver #14 Posted Sep 15 2015 - 15:22

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View PostPrivate_Public, on Sep 15 2015 - 14:12, said:

 

The amount of battles you have in WoT does not change the fact that each nation did have different war-time designs/"philosophies" when it came to mobile armor.  

 

He can't comment on what we can play or how a tank works in-game with that amount of battles.

Defender #15 Posted Sep 15 2015 - 16:45

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View PostSuperTankDriver, on Sep 15 2015 - 15:22, said:

 

He can't comment on what we can play or how a tank works in-game with that amount of battles.

 

Sure he can, his credibility however is greatly lacking. :)

Guido1212 #16 Posted Sep 15 2015 - 21:24

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View Postjsgx3, on Sep 13 2015 - 12:17, said:

Yes, this is a gimped Maus at tier 9 with no side armor.  Wow it's terrible.

 

Quoting myself, because my god, this tank is beyond awful.  Ammo rack.

EVERY

SINGLE

GAME.


 

I am not exaggerating, this thing gets ammo racked every second hit.  I actually put a wet ammo rack on it.  No effect, still ammo racked every game.  Both loaders have safe storage.  Still ammo racked every game.  Absolutely the worst tank I've played in this game.  And I've played nearly all of them.


 

Worse than the Church GC

Worse than the ARL 39

worse than the DW


 

No lie, this thing is trash.

 

Small edit:  I can only assume this is WGs idea to "balance" the tanks armor.  How exactly one of the best armored tanks in the game is so vulnerable to ammo racks is beyond me.  Except that the company is so bozorific that it totally makes sense.  This tank is the first one that I have actually just driven out into the open just to be killed it is so painful sometimes.  It literally has no advantage that matters.  It has not one redeeming quality.  At this point I'm just grinding it to see how incredibly stupid it turns out to be.  the top gun is a joke, the ammo rack is a joke, the speed is a joke, gold ammo is a joke penning it at will.  The rage is real, this thing is the official sign that WG has jumped the shark.  I suppose this is the cost of playing the O-1 which is so OP it's a joke.


 

The rage is still real.


Edited by jsgx3, Sep 15 2015 - 21:32.


Cold_War #17 Posted Sep 15 2015 - 23:36

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It is HORRIBLE. It won't hit/pen anything, the HE shells are super weak, it is slow, slow, slow, it gets penned by tier 7 scouts at distance, it is ALWAYS in a tier 10 battle, it gets ammo racked repeatedly, even with a wet ammo rack and the safe stowage perk. Just a complete failure for a tank. It is probably VERY insulting to the Japanese as well. As it presumes that the Japanese minds were stuck in World War 1 and unable to discern from the technology of the day that sloped armor was the way to go. 

pepe_trueno #18 Posted Sep 16 2015 - 01:18

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View PostCold_War, on Sep 15 2015 - 23:36, said:

It is HORRIBLE. It won't hit/pen anything, the HE shells are super weak, it is slow, slow, slow, it gets penned by tier 7 scouts at distance, it is ALWAYS in a tier 10 battle, it gets ammo racked repeatedly, even with a wet ammo rack and the safe stowage perk. Just a complete failure for a tank. It is probably VERY insulting to the Japanese as well. As it presumes that the Japanese minds were stuck in World War 1 and unable to discern from the technology of the day that sloped armor was the way to go. 

 

they never saw combat so is hard to tell but my bet goes in that it was designed to face 90mm guns shooting AP or medium howitzers not 200+mm death cannons and  300+ penetration rounds

 

they said it was a break trhow line yet it cant do anything other than bully botton tiers, if they want this line to be a break trhow line, they should drop them 1 tier and then give them anemic penetration say

oi tier 5

150/75/150 armor

150t, 1200 engine

12 cm Short Barrel Gun 50/80/40  pen 360/360/440 dmg

10 cm Cannon Type 14 70/90/40 pen  300/300/350 dmg 

 

thats something i would truly call break trhow tank

 

 



Spatty_Cakes #19 Posted Sep 16 2015 - 06:31

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I got the Type 5, its not much better than Type 4. The only thing that is slightly better is the speed. Its good now in a straight line with no ground probs or any hills. But the armor is still just as bad. You cannot side scrape and even low pen guns have no issue half the time with the tank. And due to everyone shooting heat or anything you cannot win. The tank really is bad. The entire armor profile needs work and gold ammo needs to be removed for this tank to be at all good. Get the Type 5 if you just want it to have. Do not get it thinking you are going to like it and want to try to help carry games in it. It is an e100 that you cannot angle no gun mantlet to stop heat, the gun under preforms and because it has [edited]gold ammo it struggles. The tank needs major revamp.

MetalEatingMonster #20 Posted Sep 16 2015 - 07:15

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Would hypothetical nerf to penetration of gold rounds change anything?  I have a feeling that is more likely then their guns getting buffed.




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