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CK16 #1 Posted Sep 23 2015 - 00:23

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I am curious to ask this we have currently in game Camo schemes on our American tanks mainly from WWII and one from the ROC Taiwan. I did a little digging around and found some stuff (well as much as a college student can on their free time on the interwebz). What was done for camo post WWII for American vehicles?

 

I came across the a pattern used by the 7th Army forces for a short while during the 1970's before the introduction of the 4 color MERDC patterns.

 

It is called the MASSTER scheme (See below)

 

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 I'm not even certain what to call this camouflage scheme.   Some people call it "the MASSTER scheme."  MASSTER was a US Army organization for testing various materials and ideas, and this camouflage scheme was one the MASSTER test programs.  I like to call it the "7th Army scheme" since it was only used on 7th Army units.

There is a page from the old AFV-G2 magazine which states the 7th Army scheme would be 30277 Sand for the base color, 30117 Earth Red , 34127 Green, and 37038 Black.  However, 34127 Green was not one of the standard colors in the US Army inventory of camouflage paints, but 34151 Light Green was a standard color and is very similar to 34127, so 34151 Light Green needs to be strongly considered for the 7th Army scheme.  

The AFV-G2 page states "Reference: VII. Corps Regulation 525-6, dated 1 June 1973."  So, one may guess that the 7th Army scheme might have been in use from about 1973 until about 1977 when the four color MERDC scheme began to be used.  For people who like numbers, estimate that Sand covered 30% of the vehicle, Earth Red covered 30%, Light Green covered 25% of the vehicle, and the remaining 15% would be black.

Most of the vehicles with the 7th Army scheme have black registration numbers, white bumper codes, the yellow bridge classification circle, and sometimes medium or large sized black star insignia. 

 

-https://sites.google...ite/merdccamo/-

 

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Now I have a question for the The_Chieftain regarding this as this seems to be the earliest attempt at a universal camo for a unit post WWII? I have been trying to find such items but seems to be a hard thing to find unless you consider some field craft camo from just certain smaller units in theater. Vietnam or Korea ect. Maybe as well along the Fulda gap. BUT anyway is there anything that I missed here? Is there anything that could be usable actually in game that is American and not from WWII?

 

Also along with what about a plain Desert tan at some point for all nations? Since it was a common easy camo along with would be like the plain white wash camo we have now but in a tan. Maybe as well have a plain OD green across all the board? *Shrug*

 

 

 


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Slayer_Jesse #2 Posted Sep 23 2015 - 00:37

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i'm all for additional camo patterns, and considering we have chinese/japanese patterns from the 2000's, it's not too late in timeframe either.

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Most  post WW2 U.S. vehicles had monotone shades. The USMC and the Army had their takes on a semigloss OD, the USAF had Strata Blue for a time, the Navy was grey or an odd semigloss grey. This evolved into flatter shades once saner heads realized that semigloss looked great on parade, but was not so good for actually camouflaging a large expensive bit of equipment. 

 

So a quick and dirty answer? "I've not seen any evidence of "approved" camo schemes for the post WW2~late VN era U.S. armor".



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Check this out....

 

http://forum.worldof...-patch-details/



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View PostGheco, on Sep 22 2015 - 17:43, said:

 

I saw that but I do not see anything about American patterns, a little vague on just saying "Reworked camouflages" is all.

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View PostCK16, on Sep 22 2015 - 17:46, said:

 

I saw that but I do not see anything about American patterns, a little vague on just saying "Reworked camouflages" is all.

 

Remember this is a game not a simulator.
 


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Looks like the US was experimenting a bit. Dual-Tex was from about the same time period.

 

http://www.uniteddynamics.com/dualtex/



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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 22 2015 - 18:22, said:

Looks like the US was experimenting a bit. Dual-Tex was from about the same time period.

 

http://www.uniteddynamics.com/dualtex/

 

Get that patern for American vehicles along with the Berlin Brigades "digi" patrern for the British tanks? :D

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 22 2015 - 17:22, said:

Looks like the US was experimenting a bit. Dual-Tex was from about the same time period.

 

http://www.uniteddynamics.com/dualtex/

 

Wonder if he had anything to do with the odd NODS/desert night camo.

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 22 2015 - 19:22, said:

Looks like the US was experimenting a bit. Dual-Tex was from about the same time period.

 

http://www.uniteddynamics.com/dualtex/

 

yes please. America is sorely lacking for variety in camo patterns. Would you mind bringing it up next time you talk to Minsk?




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