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What equipment do you use on the Maus?

  1. Vertical Stabilizer Mk 2 (221 votes [8.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.20%

  2. Improved Ventilation Class 3 (518 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  3. "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 2 (35 votes [1.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.30%

  4. Toolbox (144 votes [5.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.35%

  5. Large-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer (749 votes [27.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.80%

  6. Large Spall Liner (597 votes [22.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.16%

  7. Fill Tanks with CO2 (36 votes [1.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.34%

  8. Enhanced Torsion Bars 5+ t Class (41 votes [1.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.52%

  9. Enhanced Gun Laying Drive (159 votes [5.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.90%

  10. Coated Optics (57 votes [2.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.12%

  11. Binocular Telescope (45 votes [1.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.67%

  12. Camouflage Net (52 votes [1.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.93%

  13. None (40 votes [1.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.48%

What Consumables do you use on the Maus?

  1. Large Repair Kit (179 votes [7.01%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.01%

  2. Large First Aid Kit (144 votes [5.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.64%

  3. Chocolate (56 votes [2.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.19%

  4. Automatic Fire Extinguishers (209 votes [8.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.18%

  5. Small Repair Kit (673 votes [26.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.35%

  6. Small First Aid Kit (658 votes [25.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.76%

  7. Manual Fire Extinguisher (569 votes [22.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.28%

  8. None (66 votes [2.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.58%

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mareign #21 Posted Jul 19 2011 - 03:05

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View PostGlythe, on Jul 18 2011 - 02:38, said:

Let's see just a few things wrong here....
1) The Maus gun has the worst penetration of all tier 10 tanks and this is largely unforgivable. It follows the rest of the game doctrine where the Germans get a rapid fire gun that always seems to lack just a little penetration. Just about everyone agrees it would be fine for the Germans to have a rapid firing gun with less DPM if the penetration was the highest among the three nations. The accuracy difference is largely a joke considering max range is about 650 meters.

2) Front has a weakspot and everyone knows exactly where to shoot.

3) The worst opponent for a Maus is an IS7, not a T30. The T30 will only win if he gets 1-2 shots and hides while the Maus is busy doing something else OR if he can get a hull down position and the Maus is stupid enough to keep fighting him there. The Maus just has too much health to lose to an equally skilled T30 driver. Meanwhile the IS7 is capable of flanking the Maus and retreating without retribution due to its speed. Let's also not forget the T30 is lunch to a team of tier 7 tanks, while the Maus can largely ignore them until he is surrounded. And to the guy talking about a Maus at range vs a T95: The Maus has almost twice as much HP as the T95. If you find one at long range just toss HE at it until it dies. It will be forced to do the same to you and you'll win.

4) Tweaks I would like to see for the Maus:
465mm gun mantlet as per original designs.
More penetration for the 128mm gun, and the original accuracy value of .3 to be restored
500m view range standard (it's the tallest damn tank in the game and deserves to see more because it is so easily seen)

5) As kind of an April's fool prank or something I'd like to see the Maus speed increased to 60kph with insane accelaration; consequently the turret would be removed so the tank can only ram enemies to death.

6) If you voted Enhanced Torsion Bars or None for equipment on your Maus then you are trolling.

The gun's lower ap pen is offset by its higher gold pen.  It's mostly a CW thing but it's there.  The weak spot is covered if you angle your tank properly.  

I'm actually happy with the Maus as it is now.  If it gets buffed that's fine but no big ones are necessary.

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View PostGlythe, on Jul 18 2011 - 02:38, said:

Let's see just a few things wrong here....
1) The Maus gun has the worst penetration of all tier 10 tanks and this is largely unforgivable. It follows the rest of the game doctrine where the Germans get a rapid fire gun that always seems to lack just a little penetration. Just about everyone agrees it would be fine for the Germans to have a rapid firing gun with less DPM if the penetration was the highest among the three nations. The accuracy difference is largely a joke considering max range is about 650 meters.

2) Front has a weakspot and everyone knows exactly where to shoot.

3) The worst opponent for a Maus is an IS7, not a T30. The T30 will only win if he gets 1-2 shots and hides while the Maus is busy doing something else OR if he can get a hull down position and the Maus is stupid enough to keep fighting him there. The Maus just has too much health to lose to an equally skilled T30 driver. Meanwhile the IS7 is capable of flanking the Maus and retreating without retribution due to its speed. Let's also not forget the T30 is lunch to a team of tier 7 tanks, while the Maus can largely ignore them until he is surrounded. And to the guy talking about a Maus at range vs a T95: The Maus has almost twice as much HP as the T95. If you find one at long range just toss HE at it until it dies. It will be forced to do the same to you and you'll win.

4) Tweaks I would like to see for the Maus:
465mm gun mantlet as per original designs.
More penetration for the 128mm gun, and the original accuracy value of .3 to be restored
500m view range standard (it's the tallest damn tank in the game and deserves to see more because it is so easily seen)

5) As kind of an April's fool prank or something I'd like to see the Maus speed increased to 60kph with insane accelaration; consequently the turret would be removed so the tank can only ram enemies to death.

6) If you voted Enhanced Torsion Bars or None for equipment on your Maus then you are trolling.
1.Cant you read? I said with APCR. Thats GOLD rounds, and yes clans use those stuff.
2. Yes, frontally it has a small weakspot with around 200mm of armor. Slope yourself and its not weak anymore.
3. Maus has 1000 HP more than IS7, it bounces if sloped even in the weakspots. Turn turret+hull=he cant circle you constantly. IS7 is NOT that fast and accelerates slowly. its actual speed after it has accelerated a little is about 37 km/h
4. Mantlet already has that.
Gun is fine, accuracy and aim time make it better to S70 for me. 14mm more pen is useless when it aims that badly.
Not sure about view-range.
6. Agreed. I just put it there anyway :)

zcv45 #23 Posted Jul 20 2011 - 02:01

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i would put spall liner to protect from arty since its so big lol.ill have the rammer too because the reload is a pain.i Never used it b4 but looking at the stats i know i would need that.I hope the E-100 is better in every way tho.oh and i might even put camo because its so easy to find i think it will need that boost not liek it matters because even if you hit it the maus will say,"is that suppose to hurt."

robeye1999 #24 Posted Jul 24 2011 - 19:25

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im just saying, a t95 will beat a maus 1v1 ANYDAY... look at the t95 with its 305mm armor. Maus will have a hard time penetrating it. maus does have 220mm of frontal armor... but the gun on the t95 can penetrate that easily. Overall i have to say that they are both good tanks but from 200m and a 1v1 face to face fight, the t95 will ALWAYS win.

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View Postrobeye1999, on Jul 24 2011 - 19:25, said:

im just saying, a t95 will beat a maus 1v1 ANYDAY... look at the t95 with its 305mm armor. Maus will have a hard time penetrating it. maus does have 220mm of frontal armor... but the gun on the t95 can penetrate that easily. Overall i have to say that they are both good tanks but from 200m and a 1v1 face to face fight, the t95 will ALWAYS win.
no, the t95 will never win. both tanks have about an equal shot at penetrating each other, except the maus has 1500 more health.

DirtyDirty #26 Posted Jul 25 2011 - 15:16

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It really depends on the driver, but the t95 has that lovely soft spot right under the gun. That with the accurate Maus gun makes for an even fight heads up. I would take the maus with the higher HP to win in that one with both slugging it out.

Habanero #27 Posted Jul 25 2011 - 21:36

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is Maus got engine damage if hit frontal? like Panther??
how realible is Maus? because i am toying my 164k xp to vk4502 Aus B or E-75 before 6.6 so i can choose Maus of E-100 :)

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View PostMiko11, on Jul 15 2011 - 18:29, said:

why would i equip anything on that hunk of junk? its not worth it because you will just die in two seconds due to arty


Hmmm . . . could it be because you are a troll who doesn't play WOT? You've never played a battle and own no tanks  . . . .

anonym_Jb1dxoVzsbik #29 Posted Jul 26 2011 - 03:02

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View Postrobeye1999, on Jul 24 2011 - 19:25, said:

im just saying, a t95 will beat a maus 1v1 ANYDAY... look at the t95 with its 305mm armor. Maus will have a hard time penetrating it. maus does have 220mm of frontal armor... but the gun on the t95 can penetrate that easily. Overall i have to say that they are both good tanks but from 200m and a 1v1 face to face fight, the t95 will ALWAYS win.

Yeah, its a close battle but the T95 win always. Specially thanks to his outstanding 3200 Hp... OH WAIT!

1V1 maus win most of times, and you know what? actually the maus can CIRCLE the T95 if he tracks him xD!

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Spall Liner
Rammer
Optics

small repair
small health
auto fire extinguishers

58 AP 12 APCR

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Storm (Dev, RU Forums) said:

bazzzkot (RU Forums) said:

Given the decrease in strength from Mouse 3200 to 2800 (response Storm, post number 45 in this issue), any plans to decrease the strength of the E-100 with 3000?
Yes. 700-800 units.
Maus (potentially) getting an HP nerf in 0.6.6 to 2800. Thoughts? Opinions? Will it stand?
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just did my first game in a maus and it was great!
map was redshire, spawned on south and defended the southwest (where there are rolling hills the north team has to crest). i hid behind a house to avoid arty and simply took shots at the tanks cresting the hills, which included is7, 2x is4 and assorted smaller tanks. at one point, 4 of them crested and started shooting me with HE, i concentrated on taking out the smaller tanks first, till the is7 was left, my team easily finished him off.

made 13 shots, 12 hit,and took 26 shots in return: sniper and steel wall.

love this tank! no weak side armour that the 4502 has, and impenetrable from the front. just an encouragement to 4502 users: keep at it! you will be rewarded :D

W4lt3r #33 Posted Jul 29 2011 - 22:04

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Christ.. Nerfing Maus health to 2400 or whatever I heard or at least is in consideration.
I've seen bad maus drivers go down in less then a minute in a fire fight.

This just proves that when enough people bitch and moan about something it gets nerfed.
Maus has LEAST DPM on all T10's and dropping that health completely nullifies it's existence in late game CW.
Guess I'll be using E-100 instead of Maus then, even though it's accuracy that is below average already considering it's German gun is getting nerfed as well.
Sigh.

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Trying to turn the Maus into a cupcake i see... :facepalmic:

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ARE YOU  JOKING ??? 2800 HP ????  :angry:  THIS IS A DISGRACE TO THE MAUS !!! PORCHE WON'T PLS ABOUT THIS NERF !! :angry:
'' Based on the fact that maus outperform the is7 every time '' . what a lame reason , IS7 is for flanking movement while maus is a big sand bag that can take a beating , even a seasoned IS7 driver can take out the maus  :angry:  
Usually , tier 7.8 arty can dish out 400-500 dam to the maus , even 700 , now with this unreasonable nerf , they make the arty job much more easier  :( , screw me and my maus :(

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current T10 health

IS-7: 2200
T30: 2250
Maus: 3200

and the E-100 last i saw had something like 2450 when i saw a video of someone testing it. i think the numbers are just fine!

Mauses alreayd have enough problems with arty able to knock big chunks off thier health. hell i killed a Maus with a KT from with total ease! ya know how? i shot the sides and raced his turret. i've done the same with my T32 so i don't see why it deserves a nerf.

if nerfed to 3000 then fine thats reasonable. but 2800 is out of teh question.

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dont see why 2800 is out of the question. fixed maus has made the IS7 no where to be found in clan wars.

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Maus has like 55% win ratio, that's why they want to nerf it. But I'd rather have them buff the IS-7 so that it is more useful than making the Maus less useful.

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View PostSkttLes, on Jul 30 2011 - 03:50, said:

dont see why 2800 is out of the question. fixed maus has made the IS7 no where to be found in clan wars.
Meh, they're still used on offensive matches, but it'll definitely help the problem of just stacking 10+ Mauses on defensive runs, namely Himmelsdorf.

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View Postevanb90, on Jul 29 2011 - 08:14, said:

Maus (potentially) getting an HP nerf in 0.6.6 to 2800. Thoughts? Opinions? Will it stand?
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If this happens, developers will have spoiled the game.
Decreasing the tank statistics historically is the best tank of the time..




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