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StradetchFanboi #1 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 20:42

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Am I the only one who looks at these stats and thinks of a tier 10 ELC with a BL-10?

 

Tier: 10 TD
Hitpoints: 1900
Engine: 900 hp
Weight: 40 tons
Power-to-weight: 22,5 hp/t
Maximum speed: 60/20 km/h

Hull traverse: 26 deg/s
Turret traverse angle: 90 deg/s
Terrain resistance: 0,959/1,151/1,918
Viewrange: 400
Radio range:750,9
Hull armor: 30/16/?
Turret armor: 20/0/?

 

Did I mention it has the most accurate gun in the game?

 

Gun: 15cm L/63 (no autoloader)
Damage: 750/750/950
Penetration: 270/334/75
ROF: 4,171
DPM: 3962,9
Reload: 14,348s
Accuracy: 0,268
Aimtime: 2,68s
Depression: -8/+15

 

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UnicumStatPadder #2 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 20:44

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that is WG stats so, in honest terms 60 km is downhill and its probably going to be 45-50ish normally



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View PostGeoFalke, on Oct 24 2015 - 05:00, said:

frankly I think that the tier spread is ok, but the power creep is what completely ruins it

 


Nerf that accuracy or buff pew pews

 

Also for its tier the tank is too fast but whatever it's another fly buzzing around wrecking everything.



Scorpiany #4 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 20:47

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Not at all OP. ELC is low profile and has great traverse speed and camo. This tank will have no camo, can't turn for crap, and is still very large. The gun is great, but it's balanced out by the 90 degree turret angle and 2.7 second aiming time. It's not going to be that great of a tank. Not bad, but not great either.

Edited by Scorpiany, Oct 24 2015 - 20:47.


Cl0r0x_4_U #5 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 20:48

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nuttydave1234 #6 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 20:49

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View PostUnicumStatPadder, on Oct 24 2015 - 20:44, said:

that is WG stats so, in honest terms 60 km is downhill and its probably going to be 45-50ish normally

 

You fail to understand 22.5 hp/t

Yukino_Yukinoshita #7 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 20:52

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http://thearmoredpat...le-15-pictures/

 

I'd say not as big as the WTE. Seems pretty decent sized.



Fulcrous_really_heckin #8 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 20:54

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That DPM and credit round pen.

Scorpiany #9 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 20:56

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View PostFulcrous, on Oct 24 2015 - 12:54, said:

That DPM and credit round pen.

 

The DPM is only with HE, it's actually only 3,100.

zyl #10 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 20:58

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Hmm. It will be quite a change from the usual stick-butt-around-corner that we are seeing with that limited gun angle. I predict it will be majorly unappealing to newbs.. more or less HE bait.

Pahech #11 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 21:09

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It probably has pretty bad bloom, so it won't snapshot all that well.  2.7 aim time is also a major drawback.  That said, the current accuracy numbers easily trump the E4's, which is the current TD with 90 degrees traverse.

 

At 22.5 hp/t, and decent terrain resistance for a TD, it can maintain 60, which is quite an asset.  Remember, this power/weight and terrain resistance combo is about as good as a STB-1, so it can maintain 50ish for sure on medium flat terrain.  Going reverse at 20km/h is really useful as well.  It also has higher DPM than all other 750 alpha tanks (and only slightly lower than the current tier 10 TD DPM king, Obj 263), which is also a nice things to have, as it will always have a 2-shot advantage over all 750 alpha guns sans Foch 155 (it can also potentially get in 3 shots vs. FV4005/FV183).  The pen is relatively poor for a tier 10 TD, however, considering it's merely a tad over high-end heavy grade.

 

Even if it has mediocre aim time and bloom, the accuracy is incredible (best in class), and it does have 8 degrees of depression to use, which helps get that gun aiming quickly.

 

It's also smaller and probably has better camo than the current Waffle, and 400 view range makes it capable of spotting on its own.

 

Of course, being squishy as usual, it's vulnerable to all sorts of nasty stuff.

 

I think it will be a solid TD, even in the current brawling meta.  It has tons of things going for it:

 

High DPM (2nd highest tier 10 TD, highest amongst all 750+ alpha tanks)

Solid gun control (not the best aim time, and probably not very good bloom being a turreted TD, but it does have amazing accuracy and good gun depression)

Really freakin' fast.  As it is, it is as fast as the STB-1 with a higher top speed.  Contesting medium-spots with a 750 alpha TD...can be devastatingly effective.  It basically has good medium speed, without the traverse.

 

 

 


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SchnitzelTruck #12 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 21:22

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Why do people NEVER post the soft stats. This is why Rita's blog and armored patrol suck. They leave out the most important details.

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So. Gun handling is actually very solid for a TD.

In fact, this has the exact same gun handling as the current Waffle but with significantly better turret traverse bloom, 0.173 vs Waffle's 0.24 (128mm)



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Haha, the ELC actually has drawbacks, I don't think you've been paying attention to just how much tier 10 TDs benefit from this game's out of control power creep.

Pahech #14 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 21:30

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Welp.  You can actually play it sort of like a medium than.

 

The FV4005 line looks even more of a joke in the face of these soft stats. 



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Why do I even bother with these slow [edited]heavy tanks anymore

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View PostRainbowWulf, on Oct 24 2015 - 12:38, said:

Why do I even bother with these slow [edited]heavy tanks anymore

 

I dunno gold has invalidated my armor in T10 matches. Still holds up in T9's and 8's yho. Just getting tired of hearing that sizzle in T10's (and some T9 meds which I shall not name)



Grumpy_blue #17 Posted Oct 24 2015 - 21:50

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90 degree gun traverse. It won't be able to back around a corner to fire like the current tier IX and X. With this thing you will have to expose all of your 20mm armored body if you want to take this into cities.

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View Postalexskor, on Oct 24 2015 - 12:50, said:

90 degree gun traverse. It won't be able to back around a corner to fire like the current tier IX and X. With this thing you will have to expose all of your 20mm armored body if you want to take this into cities.

 

Great acceleration, 20 reverse speed, solid gun handling. So long as you are exploiting reloads and lettings allies take the hits you should be just fine peekabooing in a city.

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View PostSchnitzelTruck, on Oct 24 2015 - 12:56, said:

 

Great acceleration, 20 reverse speed, solid gun handling. So long as you are exploiting reloads and lettings allies take the hits you should be just fine peekabooing in a city.

 

Are you playing the same WOT as the rest of us??? You can do some of that in 3-man toons, but good luck with solo pubs!

SchnitzelTruck #20 Posted Oct 25 2015 - 00:34

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View Postalexskor, on Oct 24 2015 - 14:07, said:

 

Are you playing the same WOT as the rest of us??? You can do some of that in 3-man toons, but good luck with solo pubs!

 

I play pretty much only solopubs. Knowing how to abuse brain damaged pubbies is a very necessary skill to learn.

 






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