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4GOD #41 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 09:08

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The pen on this gun is not enough. 270 pen at tier X? My T30 has 276 pen at tier IX. The E4s pen is 295. Who is going to want to play an unarmored POS tank that has a low pen gun? Why woudl anyoej pick this thing over an E3?

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View Post4GOD, on Oct 26 2015 - 08:08, said:

The pen on this gun is not enough. 270 pen at tier X? My T30 has 276 pen at tier IX. The E4s pen is 295. Who is going to want to play an unarmored POS tank that has a low pen gun? Why woudl anyoej pick this thing over an E3?

E3 doesn't have this kind of DPM

E3 doesn't have a turret

E3 doesn't have this mobility

E3 doesn't have this accuracy.



TastyPastry #43 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 11:16

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View PostNuttydave1234, on Oct 24 2015 - 15:49, said:

 

You fail to understand 22.5 hp/t

 

 

It'll have CDC terrain resistance, because reasons.



theenjoyerofgames #44 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 11:33

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270mm pen in a tier 10 TD?

Wow.



PlaidPony #45 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 11:42

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View Postteamoldmill, on Oct 25 2015 - 22:50, said:

 

Ya, that is why almost all unicorns play mediums.....

 

Yeah, I mean, just look at how OP mediums are. This BatChat's about to face off with THREE tanks, and he got across the hill before they even reached the top of it!

 

 

Just look at how quickly this BatChat got 1800 assisted damage! That's just not fair

 

 



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View PostPlaidPony, on Oct 26 2015 - 10:42, said:

 

Yeah, I mean, just look at how OP mediums are. This BatChat's about to face off with THREE tanks, and he got across the hill before they even reached the top of it!

 

 

Just look at how quickly this BatChat got 1800 assisted damage! That's just not fair

 

 

 

They sure work for you..... odd you don't play a lot of TDs considering how great you say they are.

Vung_Tau #47 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 14:33

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View PostPlaidPony, on Oct 26 2015 - 10:42, said:

 

Yeah, I mean, just look at how OP mediums are. This BatChat's about to face off with THREE tanks, and he got across the hill before they even reached the top of it!

 

 

Just look at how quickly this BatChat got 1800 assisted damage! That's just not fair

 

 

Your tank can kill full health E-100 (2700hp) in 8 sec.



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View PostVung_Tau, on Oct 26 2015 - 14:33, said:

Your tank can kill full health E-100 (2700hp) in 8 sec.

 

Not really considering they nerfed the thing a while back to where it only gets 5 shots a clip from the 6 shown in that gif

PlaidPony #49 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 15:09

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View Post_Gungrave_, on Oct 26 2015 - 14:06, said:

 

Not really considering they nerfed the thing a while back to where it only gets 5 shots a clip from the 6 shown in that gif

 

How many shots did it need to kill that E-100, again?



KaiserMartens #50 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 15:47

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This thing will probably be horrible, but at least it's more historical than the Waffenträger.

Pahech #51 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 16:00

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You guys are crazy.  This thing is basically a medium tank with a 750 alpha stick on it.  And it's bad?

 

What.



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View PostLifelessgamer, on Oct 25 2015 - 18:03, said:

Wonder if the shell velocity is the same as the 15cm.  If it is and people suddenly doesn't have the laser pointer high velocity 12.8cm.......I see the reaction as being on the negative side.

Well it's hard to say ATM. The leak of Tank Inspector screenshots were set to the HE rounds, which evidently fly at 1000 m/s. Now WG tends to make HE rounds the same velocity as AP, personally I suspect in an attempt to present them as a tradeoff, but it would be reasonable to assume that this would hold true for this case as well. 1000 m/s isn't particularly quick in comparison the the Jagdtiger's 12.8cm or the Cold War 100-105mm's(Jagdtiger AP breaking 1200m/s and only goes up from there), however for a 15cm round it is, with the exception of 155mm T7's APCR at 1088m/s and 152mm BL-10's APCR at 1100m/s.

 

View PostVung_Tau, on Oct 25 2015 - 22:48, said:

You are wrong. Panzer IV suspended on a single torsion bar suspension.

Panzer III used single torsion bar suspension, Panzer IV used leaf spring bogies, which while they did have small torsion bars in the bogies they weren't the identifying feature of that suspension type.



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View PostPlaidPony, on Oct 26 2015 - 15:09, said:

 

How many shots did it need to kill that E-100, again?

 

thats only if you get high rolls

 

Couple of times I've had E100s survive all 5 rounds penning them.



Pahech #54 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 16:33

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Terrain resistance is currently medium-grade.  0,959/1,151/1,918.  That's just as good as the STB-1 and E-50M, and it has more power/weight then them.  Obviously you aren't going to manuever all that well as a TD, but point A-point B speed?  Unrivaled amongst all tier 8-10 TDs, sans the KJP.  Charioteer gets off the ground faster, but has a lower top speed.  60km/h forward, 20km/h reverse is amazing.

 

AP shell speed is 1000 m/s.  Which isn't too bad, in the scheme of TDs.  Most 750 AP sticks are ~800-900m/s.  Ok, the pen isn't great, and the prem round is 334 HEAT (looks like that pen nerf is coming soon), but I don't see how this is unworkable.  

 

It has the highest 750 alpha TD in the game.  Amongst high tier TDs, only What does this mean?  It means you can put 2 rounds into any tanks with equal alpha (sans Foch 155, for obvious reasons).  It also means anyone with a high RoF will always have lower alpha.  High DPM is always useful anyways especially amongst conventional shooters, and it has the 4th highest DPM in TDs, trumped by only the Tortoise, and the Conway and Obj. 263 by a tiny bit.  All of the above have markedly lower alpha.

 

It has decent gun control too.  Have people played the Leopard PTA?  The Grille 15 gun will control similarly like that, if current stats hold up.  

 



_cthulhu_ #55 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 17:13

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urretall OP. ELC is low pand has great traverse speed and camo. This tank will have no camo, can't turn for crap, and is still very large. The gun is great, but it's balanced out by the 90 degree turret angle and 2.7 second aiming time. It's not going to be that great of a tank. Not bad, but not great either.

 it doesn't say it has a 90 degree turret angle, 

It says it's traverse is 90/sec

It looks to be a 360 turret like the t9

 

But, when I saw the initial video of the WTF100 I thought WG

Would never put something like that in the game. 

 

So, who knows



tinytintin #56 Posted Oct 26 2015 - 17:22

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So, basically a tier 10 Hellcat? Do want.

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View Post_Gungrave_, on Oct 25 2015 - 13:46, said:

 

Its actually more like the Scorpion than the E4, garbage armor, decent mobility, good gun, although it probably doesn't have the best camo.

The big difference here is that the Scorpion's gun is absolute garbage and this thing's isn't.

 

View PostBigGuy48220, on Oct 25 2015 - 22:07, said:

Extremely PISSED, I did not grind my  a$$ off when this came out to have it changed into a PoS. I wanted an auto-loader and this is not an auto-loader. Not only but limited turret radius to boot.

Might as well go back to the tier 9 TD!

 

 

 

WG - Give us all back our entire XP and LET us decide what to do next not force some crap on us and waste our time we invested in this.

In other words; your tank is getting nerfed and you're throwing a tantrum.

 

View Post4GOD, on Oct 26 2015 - 09:08, said:

The pen on this gun is not enough. 270 pen at tier X? My T30 has 276 pen at tier IX. The E4s pen is 295. Who is going to want to play an unarmored POS tank that has a low pen gun? Why woudl anyoej pick this thing over an E3?

If anything that's pointing towards a general pen nerf for tier X TD's in general, rather than this thing having unusually low pen.



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View Posttinytintin, on Oct 26 2015 - 08:22, said:

So, basically a tier 10 Hellcat? Do want.

 

Pre-nerfed too, and imagine the hellcat has 300 alpha as oppose to 240.

 

And they say this thing is going to be bad.  -_-



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View Post_cthulhu_, on Oct 26 2015 - 16:13, said:

 it doesn't say it has a 90 degree turret angle, 

It says it's traverse is 90/sec

It looks to be a 360 turret like the t9

 

But, when I saw the initial video of the WTF100 I thought WG

Would never put something like that in the game. 

 

So, who knows

It can't turn 360 deg. Only 45 deg per side.


 


Edited by Vung_Tau, Oct 26 2015 - 17:51.


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View PostPahech, on Oct 26 2015 - 09:00, said:

You guys are crazy.  This thing is basically a medium tank with a 750 alpha stick on it.  And it's bad?

 

What.

 

My thoughts exactly. With these stats, this tank is going to fulfill a very unique role as a high-alpha support medium that can double as a sniper TD. And unlike the WTE100 it's going to be actually FUN to play.

 

If I wanted to clip out tanks reliably, I'd play the 50B or BatChat, not some slow, depressionless, gigantic abortion of an autoloading TD.






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