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Poll: Clan League - Community Streamers (121 members have cast votes)

Why do you watch a stream, other than to see who wins?

  1. I like to watch and hear about the play by play during the games. (67 votes [22.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.41%

  2. I like the post-game analysis of what happened on the map. (42 votes [14.05%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.05%

  3. I like to see the strategies utilized by each clan on the maps. (79 votes [26.42%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.42%

  4. I just enjoy watching top level players slug it out. (73 votes [24.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.41%

  5. I just love all these accents. (29 votes [9.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.70%

  6. I dunno. (9 votes [3.01%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.01%

Wargaming Streamers vs Community Streamers

  1. I like WG casting, they should do more. (4 votes [3.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.31%

  2. I liked the mix of WG and community casting. (24 votes [19.83%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.83%

  3. I preferred the community casters. (79 votes [65.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 65.29%

  4. I don't care, I just wanted more battles cast. (10 votes [8.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.26%

  5. No opinion. (4 votes [3.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.31%

When it comes to an entertaining stream:

  1. I prefer 14v14 t10s. (95 votes [78.51%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 78.51%

  2. I prefered the t8 WLGNA format (7v7). (6 votes [4.96%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.96%

  3. I think I'll like the t10 WLGNA format (7v7) more. (11 votes [9.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  4. I think another format would be better (post your suggestion). (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. No opinion. (9 votes [7.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.44%

Overall, I'd prefer to watch a stream that is more focused on:

  1. Entertainment Value. (20 votes [16.53%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.53%

  2. Educational Value. (8 votes [6.61%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.61%

  3. 50-50 both. (82 votes [67.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 67.77%

  4. No opinion. (11 votes [9.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

Rat & Allu's Stream - During matches, I'd prefer you guys focused more on:

  1. Entertainment (jokes, sound effects, phalic strat sketches) (33 votes [27.27%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

  2. Education (tanks, strategies, and what's happening - aka minimap discussions) (43 votes [35.54%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.54%

  3. High Energy (screaming, high pitch girly voices, play by play action) (18 votes [14.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.88%

  4. No opinion. (27 votes [22.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.31%

Rat & Allu's Stream - Between matches:

  1. I'd rather you guys focused more on explaining what happened and why on strat sketch(meta analysis) (65 votes [53.72%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.72%

  2. I'd rather you guys focused more on explaining the strategies in full on strat sketch(educational option) (19 votes [15.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.70%

  3. I'd rather you guys didn't use strat sketch and instead looked at the in-game scoreboard and interviewed other people for their opinions. (12 votes [9.92%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.92%

  4. I'd rather you just blasted music at me. (3 votes [2.48%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.48%

  5. No opinion. (22 votes [18.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

Rat & Allu's Stream - The strat sketches showing the names of locations on the map:

  1. Useful, I like. (84 votes [69.42%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 69.42%

  2. Yuck, do not want. (6 votes [4.96%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.96%

  3. No opinion. (31 votes [25.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.62%

Overall, Clan League:

  1. Has been amazing. (57 votes [47.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.11%

  2. Has been good. (56 votes [46.28%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.28%

  3. Has been meh. (5 votes [4.13%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.13%

  4. Has been bad. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. No opinion. (3 votes [2.48%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.48%

Hypnotik was responsible for organizing this event from scratch(which is why it isn't on EU, SEA or RU)

  1. To express my thanks, I'll upvote Hyp when he posts. (104 votes [85.95%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 85.95%

  2. Screw Hyp, Vegan for life. (17 votes [14.05%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.05%

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Wildblade #21 Posted Nov 19 2015 - 17:19

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One thing I'd like to see emphasized a little more is the when/why/how of flexes.  When a flex happens, what was the trigger?  And given that trigger, why are they doing ABC instead of DEF?  Overall I thoroughly enjoyed the streams, so thanks for putting them on.

shutupshake #22 Posted Nov 19 2015 - 18:48

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View PostInchon, on Nov 18 2015 - 20:29, said:

Shake,

 

In order to improve, is there a specific example or event that you can describe for us to see an opportunity to improve the play-by-play?

 

Inchon

 

The most effective commentating is achieved by a two-person team. One commentator handles calling the play, the other offers expertise/color when appropriate. The play-by-play guy is best served by being 1) impartial and 2) inquisitive. They need to clearly describe much of the pertinent action without opinion. The color guy is the one who should chime in with insight and opinion about the action. The play-by-play guy should question actions as a way to ping the color guy for commentary.

 

Play-by-play is important, I think, for WoT because the action is extremely varied. 14 v 14 is a lot of players to track. They could be in any variety of tanks on any variety of maps in any variety of positions with any variety of clear roles. The battles can be chaotic and fast, requiring someone to see through the chaos and highlight what the viewer needs to know is important to the battle.

 

Calling play-by-play is hard for many reasons. 1) It is physically/mentally hard because it requires the caller to view the action, identify the key action, describe those actions quickly/clearly, and even include player names and such. It is a difficult skill to obtain. 2) People are naturally inclined to include their opinions of actions in their calls, which undermines the impartial nature of the play-by-play and distracts them from calling the action. 3) They often are controlling the camera, which takes concentration and can affect their ability to call the action.

 

The play-by-play calling for this league has had shortcomings in a few of these regards. 1) It was at times lost in expressing opinions about actions, taking away from actually describing the action. These callers generally knew what they were talking about, but it was at the expense of the play-by-play. 2) It wasn't done quickly/clearly enough to keep up with the action. Not a rail on Rat specifically, but his play-by-play calling is lackadaisical. He's just too chill. He's funny to listen to, but he doesn't fully describe the action.

 

Essentially all of the casters for league are color guys. They have enough expertise to give opinionated commentary about actions and strats. They can roughly explain why things worked or didn't. They seem to have a hard time turning that off and just focusing on describing the action. Like I said before, I thoroughly enjoyed the streams. For being community driven, I was very impressed. 

 


Edited by shutupshake, Nov 19 2015 - 18:51.


RatZ1LLa #23 Posted Nov 19 2015 - 20:10

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Thanks for the feedback Shake, I honestly underestimated how thought consuming using the observer is. It's not like I fly around just for the giggles, like setting it up so the viewers can see the main engagement and the points of interest for the battle that can win an engagement for either team. I'll admit I've lost track of the mini-map quite a few times, and those are points I could probably talk about more, and better relay that to the viewer. Which in games like these mini-maps tell quite a bit so that is usually where I lose the action. Hope I can improve and for just starting out it's been fun to do, but like anything I will be putting in a lot of time practicing between seasons, just like everyone is practicing to perform well in the game. Thank you Shake :)

 

I'm currently like a 51%'er at casting. We will get that crapcranked up to 65% soonTM lol.


Edited by RatZ1LLa, Nov 19 2015 - 20:24.


rwemyss #24 Posted Nov 19 2015 - 20:30

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Rat, maybe you should increase the size of your minimap to IOC size... :trollface:

Inchon #25 Posted Nov 19 2015 - 20:30

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Shake,

 

Good feedback. I know it's a little late right now, but any specifics that you come across I would really like you to point it out. I 100% agree on the duo commentators and each one filling out a role. Much like the NFL does with a "play by play Bob Costas" type supported by a former plauer/expert like Grudden/Madden.  I know I'm a bit partial to the Eural/Inchon combo, but I believe we had a good balance between the two. 

 

I will echo Rats comments of how hard it is to manage/observe everything. From running OBS (broadcasting software), updating scores, reviewing chat feedback, looking at battle results, and having a quick analysis time is flying. In game I know I struggle with trying to show the intensity of engagements by bringing the camera in while not losing the overall "stategic" view to keep a majority of the key tanks in view. I think one thing we did show however is there is a strong desire to see more competitive gaming by the community, for the community. 

 

Inchon 



BoilerBandsman #26 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 01:13

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To follow up what wild said, is there any way that the casters can see/show when things are and are not spotted?  Perhaps a mod of some sort? I feel like it would add a lot to watching the effectiveness of scouting as well as drilling down into the action-reaction of the opposing callers.  It's hard to see the callers thinking/reactions when you can see everything, especially when you can't see what level of information they do or don't have.

Allu_o7o7o7 #27 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 01:33

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View PostBoilerBandsman, on Nov 20 2015 - 12:13, said:

To follow up what wild said, is there any way that the casters can see/show when things are and are not spotted?  Perhaps a mod of some sort? I feel like it would add a lot to watching the effectiveness of scouting as well as drilling down into the action-reaction of the opposing callers.  It's hard to see the callers thinking/reactions when you can see everything, especially when you can't see what level of information they do or don't have.

 

Sadly no, spectators can see all tanks on both sides always, there isnt a way to tell if someone is spotted or not as far as we've discovered... and yeah - it is a pain for determining why flexes are triggered.



Mac116 #28 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 02:52

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View PostAllu_o7o7o7, on Nov 19 2015 - 19:33, said:

 

Sadly no, spectators can see all tanks on both sides always, there isnt a way to tell if someone is spotted or not as far as we've discovered... and yeah - it is a pain for determining why flexes are triggered.

What about the mods they use for wgnla? 



Allu_o7o7o7 #29 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 03:13

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View PostVilinLivesMatter, on Nov 20 2015 - 13:52, said:

What about the mods they use for wgnla? 

 

It's not part of the package that Hyp gave us, so I dunno =/

Ichabod_26P #30 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 03:50

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I didn't think I'd like tier 10, but it's actually more entertaining than tier 8.

Jimmy_Arty_PRO #31 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 04:43

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Inchon and Rat best casters kappa

yUPPatriots #32 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 06:06

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Great job and fun to watch @rat and allu.

 

The stream demands face cams, rat don't be shy.

 

 

 

 

 



RatZ1LLa #33 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 13:20

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for when we come out of game, like Inchon's stream? so you can see me pick my nose, ok :)

Stronk_scout #34 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 13:55

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View PostAllu_o7o7o7, on Nov 20 2015 - 02:33, said:

 

Sadly no, spectators can see all tanks on both sides always, there isnt a way to tell if someone is spotted or not as far as we've discovered... and yeah - it is a pain for determining why flexes are triggered.

 

Wish they would have something to show that. Some of the flexes in our games for example were triggered by getting spotted in certain spots or not spotting anything in certain areas. The would probably help the streamers too. For example darker icon for unspotted tanks on minimap and lighter one for lit ones. That said rat and allu best streams at least from the ones i watched :).

Mac116 #35 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 14:08

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View PostAllu_o7o7o7, on Nov 19 2015 - 21:13, said:

 

It's not part of the package that Hyp gave us, so I dunno =/

I would talk with him or yoot about it. I know for wgnla  streams they can show when someone gets lit. 



Allu_o7o7o7 #36 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 14:45

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View PostVilinLivesMatter, on Nov 21 2015 - 01:08, said:

I would talk with him or yoot about it. I know for wgnla  streams they can show when someone gets lit. 

 

Yoott isnt talking to us after we sent many pubbies to him for M60/VK codes after the final.

Mac116 #37 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 15:41

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View PostAllu_o7o7o7, on Nov 20 2015 - 08:45, said:

 

Yoott isnt talking to us after we sent many pubbies to him for M60/VK codes after the final.

That's why you send them to dance. 

 

 

 

Wow...my "kids" grow up, go to the Gold league and then there's no more love. Gobobs, breaking my heart since 2015...

</3 dance210



RatZ1LLa #38 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 17:14

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View PostVilinLivesMatter, on Nov 20 2015 - 09:41, said:

That's why you send them to dance.

 

 

Pretty soon the whole eSports/WGLNA staff will dislike us then lol. It's good if we just target Yoott, focus fire is the key to victory!

 



Inchon #39 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 19:42

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View PostDance imposed her will on this topic post, on Nov 20 2015 - 14:41:

Wow...my "kids" grow up, go to the Gold league and then there's no more love. Gobobs, breaking my heart since 2015...

</3 dance210

 

Empty nest  Clan Syndrom? 



Mac116 #40 Posted Nov 20 2015 - 21:22

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I was referring to your habit of actually liking people. Lol




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