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What punishment should those that willingly and blatantly engaged in rigging be given?

  1. 1 Day Ban (11 votes [2.20%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.20%

  2. Voted 7 Day Ban (49 votes [9.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.78%

  3. Voted 1 Month Ban (93 votes [18.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.56%

  4. Voted 6 Months Ban (48 votes [9.58%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.58%

  5. 1 Year Ban (28 votes [5.59%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.59%

  6. Voted Permanent Ban (130 votes [25.95%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.95%

  7. Voted No Punishment (142 votes [28.34%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.34%

What punishment should those that unknowingly (or weren't directly involved) in rigging be given?

  1. Voted 1 Day Ban (55 votes [10.98%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.98%

  2. 7 Day Ban (71 votes [14.17%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.17%

  3. Voted 1 Month Ban (41 votes [8.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.18%

  4. 6 Months Ban (14 votes [2.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.79%

  5. 1 Year Ban (14 votes [2.79%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.79%

  6. Permanent Ban (35 votes [6.99%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.99%

  7. Voted No Punishment (271 votes [54.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 54.09%

Should those involved with rigging in any shape or form be banned from Wargaming E-Sports (Including but not limited to Leagues, Tournaments, etc.)?

  1. Voted Yes, for 6 months. (75 votes [14.97%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.97%

  2. Voted Yes, for 1 year. (58 votes [11.58%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.58%

  3. Yes, for 2 years. (6 votes [1.20%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.20%

  4. Voted Yes, Permanently. (182 votes [36.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 36.33%

  5. Voted No. (180 votes [35.93%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.93%

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Blackgunner #61 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:28

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As has been made clear: Rigging was wrong.  There is no excuse.  Missions aren't impossible. People made a conscious choice to exploit the game mode.  And they deserve the harshest of punishments possible.  Factors like 'who or how many were in que' don't play into it.  (And even if they did; it's irrelevant because of the fact that people stopped playing it the second they got the tank from rigging.  Whereas if people had to continue playing it over and over; more people would have gotten it legitimately.) The fact is, people rigged entire battles; unfairly influencing the outcome of the battles involved; which is by definition cheating; a crime of the greatest magnitude here.

 

THAT is everything involved.  Guilty is guilty.

 

I honestly expected "No Punishment" to be common; because frankly anyone who actually participated in the rigging would vote to get away scott-free.


Edited by Blackgunner, Nov 30 2015 - 22:32.


SymbiosisBC #62 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:31

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View PostX7thpanzerdivisionX, on Nov 30 2015 - 14:00, said:

 

how's that  cheating when it is the Only way to win. lets say someone has godmode hack and only way to kill that person is via a game exploit, is it cheating to use that on tanker whose using god mode,

 

 

View PostX7thpanzerdivisionX, on Nov 30 2015 - 14:24, said:

i have not and will not play new gamemode. 

 

 

Oh.  So you claim the only way to win in this case is not based on your own experience.  Just based on 'a feeling', huh?

 

I call that an invalid claim, then...



KaiserSchnitzel #63 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:31

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View PostTheGhostCat, on Nov 30 2015 - 14:50, said:

No punishment - period.

 

WG should pull the missions out from this mode.  Players will find a way - WG simply never considered that no one plays this mode just for the fun of it -EVERYONE was playing for reward. The missions for this mode were simply bad.

 

^^^

 

I agree with this. Bad decisions caused this mess.



Blackgunner #64 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:33

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View PostKaiserSchnitzel, on Nov 30 2015 - 16:31, said:

 

^^^

 

I agree with this. Bad decisions caused this mess.

 

I do agree that bad decisions made the mess.  Players decisions to exploit a game mode and unfairly influence outcomes of battles.  That is what caused the mess.

Shammalammadingdong #65 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:38

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View PostX7thpanzerdivisionX, on Nov 30 2015 - 12:52, said:

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-Grimpoteuthis 

 

Lol, moderated.

Apparently you can do it, you just can't talk about it..



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View PostBlackgunner, on Nov 30 2015 - 16:33, said:

 

I do agree that bad decisions made the mess.  Players decisions to exploit a game mode and unfairly influence outcomes of battles.  That is what caused the mess.

 

By putting the fault entirely in the hands of the players you are directly allowing Wargaming RU to continue being inept and incompetent and excusing them of any responsibility for their actions. You are equally part of the problem.

Edited by Kawaii_Anime_Girl, Nov 30 2015 - 22:43.


KaiserSchnitzel #67 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:48

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View PostBlackgunner, on Nov 30 2015 - 16:33, said:

 

I do agree that bad decisions made the mess.  Players decisions to exploit a game mode and unfairly influence outcomes of battles.  That is what caused the mess.

 

I won't condone rigging. I won't. Don't mistake me. But to think that it wouldn't happen based on the incentive to do so is just fatuous. It's like putting a turkey on the floor in front of two dogs and and acting shocked when you come back from the restroom to find your turkey all chewed up. Sure; go ahead and throw the dogs outside, but you're still going to end up ordering a pizza.

UCanCallMeAl #68 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:51

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I think the point is that the missions are so ridiculous that I can't be bothered trying to do them, so Wargaming has failed in their blatant attempt to promote the game mode... I wish that they would spend more time, money and effort into improving the core experience for players.

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View PostX7thpanzerdivisionX, on Nov 30 2015 - 14:52, said:

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[content moderated - Promoting EULA violations]

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[edited]@ moderation.

 

Isn't cheating and/or rigging the most severe EULA/ToS violation of any online game?  Yes?  Thought so.

 

 



Blackgunner #70 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:53

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View PostKawaii_Anime_Girl, on Nov 30 2015 - 16:43, said:

 

By putting the fault entirely in the hands of the players you are directly allowing Wargaming RU to continue being inept and incompetent and excusing them of any responsibility for their actions. You are equally part of the problem.

 

Wargaming put a game mode out there; gave missions; and expected nothing less than people to complete them legitimately.  It isn't their fault people exploited it.

 

That's like saying a woman deserved to be assaulted because she was wearing skimpy clothes.  That she was asking for it.

 

No, I refuse to believe that she deserved it; just like I refuse to believe that the game needed to be rigged.

 

There is no excuse for what happened here.

 

 


Edited by Blackgunner, Nov 30 2015 - 22:54.


Kawaii_Anime_Girl #71 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:57

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View PostBlackgunner, on Nov 30 2015 - 16:53, said:

 

Wargaming put a game mode out there; gave missions; and expected nothing less than people to complete them legitimately.  It isn't their fault people exploited it.

 

That's like saying a woman deserved to be assaulted because she was wearing skimpy clothes.  That she was asking for it.

 

No, I refuse to believe that she deserved it; just like I refuse to believe that the game needed to be rigged.

 

There is no excuse for what happened here.

 

 

 

  Completely ridiculous line of thinking. Everyone is accountable for their actions. Every company is accountable for their actions. Wargaming is not a person, nor are they are woman, they are a corporation who's end-goal is to make money.

 

Continue defending incompetence and removing accountability and we will continue having issues.



cloudwalkr #72 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:58

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voted no punishment just because you annoy me gunner.

Blackgunner #73 Posted Nov 30 2015 - 22:59

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View PostKawaii_Anime_Girl, on Nov 30 2015 - 16:57, said:

 

  Completely ridiculous line of thinking. Everyone is accountable for their actions. Every company is accountable for their actions. Wargaming is not a person, nor are they are woman, they are a corporation who's end-goal is to make money.

 

Continue defending incompetence and removing accountability and we will continue having issues.

 

Tell me; did you or your clan participate in this rigging?  If you or your clan did; how can ANY of your posts related to the subject be credible in any sense whatsoever?  That's like having a fox speak on behalf of the safety of the henhouse.

Edited by Blackgunner, Nov 30 2015 - 23:00.


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guess all the riggers showed up to vote no punishment at all, to me the length of time isn't a big deal its what else comes with it(exclusion from all future events/tournaments, having t22 taken away)

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View PostKawaii_Anime_Girl, on Nov 30 2015 - 21:57, said:

 

  Completely ridiculous line of thinking. Everyone is accountable for their actions. Every company is accountable for their actions. Wargaming is not a person, nor are they are woman, they are a corporation who's end-goal is to make money.

 

Continue defending incompetence and removing accountability and we will continue having issues.

 

yes and the riggers must be held accountable as well, for their actions, and defending them will continue to create issues

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View PostBlackgunner, on Nov 30 2015 - 13:40, said:

This is even worse than illegal mods; this is actually committing a crime against the entirety of the game itself.  This is like first degree murder.

 

This statement is a special, special kind of stupid. 



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View PostKaiserSchnitzel, on Nov 30 2015 - 14:48, said:

 

I won't condone rigging. I won't. Don't mistake me. But to think that it wouldn't happen based on the incentive to do so is just fatuous. It's like putting a turkey on the floor in front of two dogs and and acting shocked when you come back from the restroom to find your turkey all chewed up. Sure; go ahead and throw the dogs outside, but you're still going to end up ordering a pizza.

 

Ummm... Your scenario doesn't fit. Civilized humans, (ie.. we the players) are supposed to know the difference between right and wrong.

Everybody HAS to acknowledge they agree to following EULA before being allowed create an account/continue after patches or they can't play the game, PERIOD.

NOTE: I'm not mistaking your intent, just used your reply for a blurb to clarify my point. N'cest pas?


Edited by IronDukes_Six, Nov 30 2015 - 23:20.


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View PostX7thpanzerdivisionX, on Nov 30 2015 - 20:32, said:

 

But people want to have the Tank and only real way to do it is to rig it

 

well then too bad, I wanted a winning lottery ticket but am I going to collude with the people at the drawing and say "it was impossible for me to win without rigging it and I really wanted it, its the lotteries fault for tempting us with that much money"

View PostX7thpanzerdivisionX, on Nov 30 2015 - 21:00, said:

 

how's that  cheating when it is the Only way to win. lets say someone has godmode hack and only way to kill that person is via a game exploit, is it cheating to use that on tanker whose using god mode,

 

 

if its against the rules, then yes its cheating regardless if that is only way to win or not

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Punishment has already been rendered, kinda simple, players like me, who outnumber the riggers, don't bother to log into new game modes that are rigged.

 

Once I figured out how to make all those stupid rental tanks go to reserve I haven't bothered to even look at them.

 

No money for Wargaming for this fiasco, maybe they will focus on something more important than inventing riggable game modes, like fair matchmaking that reduces the number of complete blowouts in random games (is averaging a consistent range of 45-55% impossible to achieve, or just not desired for some reason?)


Edited by Zeeper, Nov 30 2015 - 23:23.


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View PostWangOnTheLoose, on Nov 30 2015 - 20:41, said:

Obviously cheating is wrong and rigging games to finish missions is cheating.  However, people should not be banned forever they should get something more reasonable along the lines of 1-4 week bans depending on what actually happened.  Then they should have the reward tank taken away and lose the ability to get it back.  That is fair.

 

After that is done WG should change the missions so that they can actually be done..... and while they are at it they can change the earnings on the modes so that people can actually earn silver while playing.  Wow such novel ideas I have.

 

Bottom line is that this was easily foreseeable by WG and now they need to fix it the right way.

 

agreed, one of the more reasonable posts, since that is the right solution there isn't a good chance of them doing it but we can hope




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