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Anublister #61 Posted Apr 05 2018 - 18:04

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How is this a game guide?  Why did you feel the need to post it in this section of the forums? It isn't a game guide, it's your advice column.

The best indicator of winning is having a team that knows what they're doing. e.g. a skill based mm would vastly improve the game.

Platoons or super platoons of highly skilled players will always outperform lesser skilled players. Why doesn't anyone get this? Elite clans aren't filled with tomatoes. Balance the skill in a random match and watch a good game unfold. Unbalanced teams makes this game worthless to play. Why do so many of you think it's a good thing to have mismatched teams? Why do so many of you insist it can't be done? Why aren't unicums advocating this? Are you so focused on the glee of over-matching the enemy at any cost you miss the reality that unbalanced teams are forcing players to abandon this game? Are you joyfully anticipating a future playing with kindergartner like opponents? Do you find that satisfying? If you had a choice would you play on a team of tomatoes vs a team of green players? Don't lie, none of us would. There is no satisfaction beating clearly inferior teams, in ANY sport.

 

Fix the random mm. Leave the other game modes alone. Simple. Done. Fun returns to tho game. A skill based mm would make this game fun for everyone who plays it. Tomatoes through purple. Why? Because everyone that played would have confidence that they have a relatively equal chance of winning. Which is simply not the case now.  



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View PostAnublister, on Apr 05 2018 - 17:04, said:

How is this a game guide?  Why did you feel the need to post it in this section of the forums? It isn't a game guide, it's your advice column.

The best indicator of winning is having a team that knows what they're doing. e.g. a skill based mm would vastly improve the game.

Platoons or super platoons of highly skilled players will always outperform lesser skilled players. Why doesn't anyone get this? Elite clans aren't filled with tomatoes. Balance the skill in a random match and watch a good game unfold. Unbalanced teams makes this game worthless to play. Why do so many of you think it's a good thing to have mismatched teams? Why do so many of you insist it can't be done? Why aren't unicums advocating this? Are you so focused on the glee of over-matching the enemy at any cost you miss the reality that unbalanced teams are forcing players to abandon this game? Are you joyfully anticipating a future playing with kindergartner like opponents? Do you find that satisfying? If you had a choice would you play on a team of tomatoes vs a team of green players? Don't lie, none of us would. There is no satisfaction beating clearly inferior teams, in ANY sport.

 

Fix the random mm. Leave the other game modes alone. Simple. Done. Fun returns to tho game. A skill based mm would make this game fun for everyone who plays it. Tomatoes through purple. Why? Because everyone that played would have confidence that they have a relatively equal chance of winning. Which is simply not the case now.  

 

Lol so much salt Jesus.  

 

It's a guide I wrote years ago for players wanting to improve, relax bro I'm just trying to make America great again.  In the current system of of non-skill based mm, the only way to win more reliably (without platoons etc) is to become a better player.  Every single post you make is either a whine or a crap post about someone else.  Take your salt about WG's mm elsewhere please.



NeatoMan #63 Posted Apr 06 2018 - 19:08

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I've always wondered why there is not a way to break out somebody's stats on solo pubbing, platoon pubbing, 

 

[These can be checked at vBAddict.net]

 only if you had the active dossier uploader running while you played.  Otherwise... nope



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http://wotlabs.net/na/player/the_radioman_is_bleedingThanks for this KingTiger :)

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Interesting post and especially relevant for my case.


I am sitting at around 2600 recent wn8 yet my wr stays at 56-57%. Most of my tier 10 tanks are doing 2800-3000 damage yet still my winrate remains low.

I dont know why I cant hit the 60% mark with my winrate. Can anyone suggest possible reasons for this?



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View PostFunkman111, on Apr 17 2018 - 04:49, said:

Interesting post and especially relevant for my case.


I am sitting at around 2600 recent wn8 yet my wr stays at 56-57%. Most of my tier 10 tanks are doing 2800-3000 damage yet still my winrate remains low.

I dont know why I cant hit the 60% mark with my winrate. Can anyone suggest possible reasons for this?

 

There can be many reasons for this.  But think about these things.

 

1.  Try to deal more early-game damage.  Rewards for early game damage are exponential, because they allow for more overmatches, especially if you have an autoloader.  

 

2.  Focus on intelligently tanking damage.  This means knowing when it's worth it to take a hit or not.  Many times, WN8 farmers avoid taking damage at all costs in order to farm damage.  But this hurts WR by basically relying on the team to partially fold first.  Try to help the push survive to win, even if it means dying to have to do so.



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These really are good points and as you mentioned, it comes down to consistency. In one battle, I'll have a great game and it'll show. I may even have 4 or 5 in a row where I'm doing what's needed, but all it takes is one bad battle to throw off my rhythm and then I'm mentally out of the game. Consistency and situational awareness coupled with the ability to flex (hence why myself and most others will shine in mediums), are what usually separate me and others in my pool from going purple.

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View Postsmitty4069, on Apr 26 2018 - 19:15, said:

These really are good points and as you mentioned, it comes down to consistency. In one battle, I'll have a great game and it'll show. I may even have 4 or 5 in a row where I'm doing what's needed, but all it takes is one bad battle to throw off my rhythm and then I'm mentally out of the game. Consistency and situational awareness coupled with the ability to flex (hence why myself and most others will shine in mediums), are what usually separate me and others in my pool from going purple.

 

Indeed, dedicated effort usually will pay off!

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I know my problem in going to purple stats is that I keep going back down tiers and grinding out the crap tiers (3-6) to finally get into decent tanks at 7-9, and then get into the 10s I want.  My mentality on grinding is different in how I regularly play when I'm playing just for fun.  I don't know why I have that mental switch there, but I just can't seem to overcome it.

 

Playing footloose and fancy-free and I wreck face.  :P

 

OP, thanks for the outline for getting better.  I solemnly swear I will do my best to purplize myself over this next year...



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I am a green player with WN8 of 1015 and 1600 games played. How would I need to get from 1015 to 2000 WN8 in 400 or more games? And 55% wins? Stat padding?


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View PostQuicksilverJPR, on Oct 18 2018 - 14:58, said:

I know my problem in going to purple stats is that I keep going back down tiers and grinding out the crap tiers (3-6) to finally get into decent tanks at 7-9, and then get into the 10s I want.  My mentality on grinding is different in how I regularly play when I'm playing just for fun.  I don't know why I have that mental switch there, but I just can't seem to overcome it.

 

Playing footloose and fancy-free and I wreck face.  :P

 

OP, thanks for the outline for getting better.  I solemnly swear I will do my best to purplize myself over this next year...

 

I mean yeah, messing around will affect stats, but usually overall good play should balance it out.



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View PostCritical_Hit_105, on Nov 11 2018 - 17:10, said:

I am a green player with WN8 of 1015 and 1600 games played. How would I need to get from 1015 to 2000 WN8 in 400 or more games? And 55% wins? Stat padding?

 

The most useful way would be to concentrate on a few tanks that you feel confident in above tier 5 for 400 games, no joke.  Learn the in's and out's of these vehicles and in the process, you will also learn more about things like terrain abuse, maps, and vision.  Then you can apply those skills to new vehicles.

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In my experience, they hit the same shots that I miss on....such as shooting while both vehicles are on the move, or being invisible until on top of me, or my consistent bouncing while they pen....regardless of type of round used, being able to pull up from behind terrain, shooting, hitting and penning.  Mostly it would seem RNG is against me when confronted with better players....forcefields, laser like shots and other things that would lend to the hacker mentality.  I'm good, but not when it comes to dealing with RNG regulated particulars.

Astralite #74 Posted Dec 31 2018 - 12:24

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Now write me a guide to get back down to red, because quitting out of battles, yoloing, playing arty a ton and suicide off of cliffs isn't working and I want some XVM camo. 

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View PostDoomslinger, on Jan 03 2016 - 22:28, said:

 

This is the truth right here.  If you only have a 55% win rate with 2000 w8, you are damage farming and not helping your teams.  You should be closer to 60%.

I strongly disagree with this. Getting a solid 60% win rate in pubs, assuming you run solo, is extremely difficult, and I would say impossible if you’re only playing at 2000 WN8. You and I are both prime examples - you’re at 2800 recent but only 58% recent WR - far below the 60% you expect at 2000. I’m even worse, my recent WR is creeping up on 60% but my recent WN8 is substanially over 3000. This is, of course, assuming you play solo. Platoons are a totally different story.



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View Postborange01, on Jan 17 2019 - 20:20, said:

I strongly disagree with this. Getting a solid 60% win rate in pubs, assuming you run solo, is extremely difficult, and I would say impossible if you’re only playing at 2000 WN8. You and I are both prime examples - you’re at 2800 recent but only 58% recent WR - far below the 60% you expect at 2000. I’m even worse, my recent WR is creeping up on 60% but my recent WN8 is substanially over 3000. This is, of course, assuming you play solo. Platoons are a totally different story.

 

I haven't a significant number of games in a while, but I will say that the meta has changed significantly since I first wrote this guide.  At that time, it was much easier to reliably avoid taking damage.  By this I mean that armor mattered more and arty was more avoidable.  At that time, I recall I was at around 61% 3100-3200 recent, but that was back when I try-harded.  I fully understand that WR is harder to improve as a solo player now than it was then.  TBH if I wrote this now, it would be 53-58%.

 

Edit: Wow it's been over 3 years since I made this original thread...


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View PostChatBanForever, on Dec 31 2018 - 11:24, said:

Now write me a guide to get back down to red, because quitting out of battles, yoloing, playing arty a ton and suicide off of cliffs isn't working and I want some XVM camo. 

 

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     I would also, add in that regardless of where you stand in statistics don't fall victim to complacency. It kills. I've seen, and taken down plenty of players that have made this mistake, and it is the most common I see. Until proven otherwise, every player is an expert. You can go off stats for a rough indicator (and it's pretty accurate all things considered), but you never know until your trading shots with the guy. 

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View Postborange01, on Jan 17 2019 - 20:20, said:

I strongly disagree with this. Getting a solid 60% win rate in pubs, assuming you run solo, is extremely difficult, and I would say impossible if you’re only playing at 2000 WN8. You and I are both prime examples - you’re at 2800 recent but only 58% recent WR - far below the 60% you expect at 2000. I’m even worse, my recent WR is creeping up on 60% but my recent WN8 is substanially over 3000. This is, of course, assuming you play solo. Platoons are a totally different story.

 

Agreed.

 

WR can be padded by the following, with most effective listed first:

1. platooning with other skilled players (blues/purples)

2. playing OP tanks for a given tier. E.g. 430U, Super Conqueror, 268 v4, etc

3. firing copious amounts of premium ammo to ensure you have high(est) probability of penetrating targets



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Good explanation! Obviously you can't get every little detail, but I think you hit the main points and it's laid out clearly. Next up, "The difference between 2600 and 3200+ WN8"?




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