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Should the Panther 88 receive a gun depression buff now that the Mutz is out?

  1. Yes! (37 votes [56.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 56.92%

  2. No! (16 votes [24.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.62%

  3. Only if it gets Bacon™ rations! (8 votes [12.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.31%

  4. Other buff! Post in thread. (4 votes [6.15%])

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Horribad_At_Tanks #1 Posted Feb 02 2016 - 23:54

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Now that the Mutz is out with glorious -10 gun depression and a decent turret can we get the poor Panther 88's frontal depression increased to the Panther 2's usable -7?

 

The E50 can get away with -5 frontal because armour but the P88 is tin foil all around and can't even reliably bounce lower tiers.

 

Can I get an amen brothers? 



Strike_Witch_Tomoko #2 Posted Feb 02 2016 - 23:55

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panther 2 has -8 front and side

 

but yeah, panther 8.8 needs -7 front (or more. hint hint panther 2)



101steagle #3 Posted Feb 02 2016 - 23:57

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At least you aren't driving the fv4202 P



Horribad_At_Tanks #4 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:08

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Feb 02 2016 - 17:55, said:

panther 2 has -8 front and side

 

but yeah, panther 8.8 needs -7 front (or more. hint hint panther 2)

 

Ah didn't realise that. Well wg won't go that far for Reasons but I'll take -7 in a wink.

 

View Post101steagle, on Feb 02 2016 - 17:57, said:

At least you aren't driving the fv4202 P

 

At least your turret can bounce some shots and the gun has nice pen. 

 

 

 

 



Hammaneggs #5 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:11

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I won mine in a contest, and find a dislike to it. Honestly, I feel like they should just remove it and put the Mutz in its place. It would be a good way to remove one of the clones that have been invading the game.

Legiondude #6 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:11

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Feb 02 2016 - 16:55, said:

panther 2 has -8 front and side

 

but yeah, panther 8.8 needs -7 front (or more. hint hint panther 2)

WG's justification is that the Panther 88's Schmalturm setup and the Panther II's Schmalturm setup are actually two different designs, with the Panther II's configuration based on the succeeding design from early 1945 which did have more gun depression

 

Nevermind that the Panther II project died long before the Schmalturm was conceived, but hey even Gaijin isn't budging on that one


Edited by Legiondude, Feb 03 2016 - 00:11.


Hurk #7 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:12

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https://i.imgur.com/dWD6h2r.png

 

near perfect balance except at the high end, i would drop the aim time from 2.5 to 2.3 and fix the engine back to the top end on the panther so that the top speed can go back up to where it should be. 

 

 

 



Horribad_At_Tanks #8 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:20

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View PostHammaneggs, on Feb 02 2016 - 18:11, said:

I won mine in a contest, and find a dislike to it. Honestly, I feel like they should just remove it and put the Mutz in its place. It would be a good way to remove one of the clones that have been invading the game.

 

I like my p88 even though the increased mm weighting often has me replacing a key heavy tank on the roster. Dunno why wg did that as it makes no sense. As to the clone comment the mutz is more or less a premium indien panzer.

 

View PostHurk, on Feb 02 2016 - 18:12, said:

https://i.imgur.com/dWD6h2r.png

 

near perfect balance except at the high end, i would drop the aim time from 2.5 to 2.3 and fix the engine back to the top end on the panther so that the top speed can go back up to where it should be. 

 

The gun depression is key for when you get stuck in top tier games as you simply cannot expose or you will get autoaim snap shotted by everything due to the ludicrous pen of the tier 9 and 10 tanks. I'd welcome those engine and aim time changes too but wg won't ever go that far for a german tank. Look what happened when the tiger h got its long needed buff. They nerfed half the german line and gutted the vk3601 just to collect enough buff points to appease serb and allow it in the first place.

 

 

 



Tupinambis #9 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:23

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The Panther 88 is severely underrated.


Not necessarily good in its own right, but people hate on that thing way WAAYYY more than it deserves. I have all of the new generation tier 8 premium mediums. The Panther 88 has by far the most dependable, reliable gun. Barring situations where it gets nailed by arty or some crap like that, I can always count on it to spit out good damage far more regularly than things like the STA-2, CDC or T-54 Proto. The RNG on the gun almost never really screws with you like the Russian 100mm or French 90 does.

 

View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Feb 03 2016 - 00:08, said:

 

Ah didn't realise that. Well wg won't go that far for Reasons but I'll take -7 in a wink.

 

 

At least your turret can bounce some shots and the gun has nice pen. 

 

 

 

 

 

The only buffs I can see the Panther 88 really using are an aim time buff to 2.3 or less. That would really help a lot.

Legiondude #10 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:24

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View PostLegiondude, on Feb 02 2016 - 17:11, said:

WG's justification is that the Panther 88's Schmalturm setup and the Panther II's Schmalturm setup are actually two different designs, with the Panther II's configuration based on the succeeding design from early 1945 which did have more gun depression

 

Nevermind that the Panther II project died long before the Schmalturm was conceived, but hey even Gaijin isn't budging on that one

Forgot to add I expect the Panther II's depression to change with the HD model, as I'm told the gun depression limitation is a technical one related to the model not actually a specifically programmed shortcoming

 

View PostHurk, on Feb 02 2016 - 17:12, said:

https://i.imgur.com/dWD6h2r.png

 

near perfect balance except at the high end, i would drop the aim time from 2.5 to 2.3 and fix the engine back to the top end on the panther so that the top speed can go back up to where it should be. 

The engine is also pretty strange. What WG was trying to represent here was the HL 230 with an engine governor placed on it in late 1943, and would be standard for late model Panthers to have, but what's the actual strange part is that the Panther/M10 got away with the better known 700 hp



Horribad_At_Tanks #11 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:32

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View PostTupinambis, on Feb 02 2016 - 18:23, said:

The Panther 88 is severely underrated.


Not necessarily good in its own right, but people hate on that thing way WAAYYY more than it deserves. I have all of the new generation tier 8 premium mediums. The Panther 88 has by far the most dependable, reliable gun. Barring situations where it gets nailed by arty or some crap like that, I can always count on it to spit out good damage far more regularly than things like the STA-2, CDC or T-54 Proto. The RNG on the gun almost never really screws with you like the Russian 100mm or French 90 does.

 

 

The only buffs I can see the Panther 88 really using are an aim time buff to 2.3 or less. That would really help a lot.

 

Eh I enjoy my p88 as the gun is good like you say but the -5 frontal is simply annoying and artificially gimps the tank in higher tier play. Aim time can be compensated with equip, skills and rations since you have premium perks and can afford to run them every game. Gun depression can't be overcome with those. :^( As long as the type 59 exists with -7 gun depression wg can't really fall on historical accuracy to justify restrictions on arcade pixel tanks characteristics. Hell they invent tanks out of whole cloth all the time with nothing more than an idea scribbled on a napkin or even a simple wooden model with only the most basic of general shapes to go on or just say f it and make up a complete phantasy tank.

SWANK_BOWZER #12 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:34

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Panther 88 (or Hitler Panther -- whatever) is alright.  But now that the Mutz has been released there's zero reason to buy a Panther 88.  The Mutz is better in every way.

Edited by SWANK_BOWZER, Feb 03 2016 - 00:35.


Beckers4 #13 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:35

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Why don't we just make one tank for every tier and just be done with it.

why_u_heff_to_be_mad #14 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:38

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I want a DE premium

 

The Mutz is so glorious,

 

I wish I could rent the 8.8 to try and see myself (I actually want the radio man)



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Install TEST client and try it. 

SourKraut13 #16 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 00:59

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View PostHammaneggs, on Feb 02 2016 - 18:11, said:

I won mine in a contest, and find a dislike to it. Honestly, I feel like they should just remove it and put the Mutz in its place. It would be a good way to remove one of the clones that have been invading the game.

 

Problem is that 99% of all German Medium Tanks have 5 crew....

 

Only the:

- Indien Panzer

- Leopard Proto

- Leopard 1

- Mutz

 

Have 4 crew.



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I think I'd rather see it get a mobility buff before depression. Depression is one of the major advantages of many other tanks in the batch of Tier 8 Medium Premiums, which are worse in other areas. Adding depression to the P88 would make them less attractive options. And with how good the P88s gun is, letting it get it in play that much more often may actually make it OP.

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View PostSourKraut13, on Feb 02 2016 - 17:59, said:

 

Problem is that 99% of all German Medium Tanks have 5 crew....

 

Only the:

- Indien Panzer

- Leopard Proto

- Leopard 1

- Mutz

 

Have 4 crew.

 

Than they can get a T-25, or PzIVS when it's offered. They have all 5 crew and lower tier Premiums train crew faster anyway if that's what you're after.

Brunossace #19 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 01:14

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So many fan boys Mutz. Not going to jump on the bandwagon.  I like my panther 88 and you do realize you get more gun depression on the tank on the side? Over the front of the hull its like 5. On the sides its like 7 or 8. Tanks great the only thing they could buff be the aim time. 

Strike_Witch_Tomoko #20 Posted Feb 03 2016 - 01:15

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View PostLegiondude, on Feb 02 2016 - 16:11, said:

WG's justification is that the Panther 88's Schmalturm setup and the Panther II's Schmalturm setup are actually two different designs, with the Panther II's configuration based on the succeeding design from early 1945 which did have more gun depression

 

Nevermind that the Panther II project died long before the Schmalturm was conceived, but hey even Gaijin isn't budging on that one

 

and never mind that they should do it for balance reasons

 

the same way the T-22sr has superior mobility and gun handling to other russian meds,  when in real life htey couldnt even fit the modules and crew in the tank (and if they had, the way the suspension was set up would have had the tank rocking side ot side so easily that gun handling would have been AWFUL)

or how russian meds have gun handling superior to M48 when M48 was DEISGNED for gun handling on a large variety of terrain.  while russian meds were designed for armor, and were pretty awful in the accuracy department(compared to NATO tanks who prioritized handling over armor)

 

but its WG.  the only time they buff something unhistorically is if its russian.   can't have a weak russian can we.  (goes back to nuking russians in EVE, "RUN RUSKIES RUN, MUAHAHAHA")


Edited by Strike_Witch_Tomoko, Feb 03 2016 - 01:17.





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