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R_Razor #1 Posted Mar 05 2016 - 21:24

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Yeah, I'm not the best player by any stretch, I freely admit that and I also know that I play above my skill / tier ability when I platoon (tier VII and VIII especially) so I make an effort to minimize that and would be more than happy to have those tanks locked until my personal rating says I'm ready for them.

 

That being said, there are way too many people that probably aren't capable of walking and chewing bubblegum playing in tiers VI and above..........I mean really, if you are a living, breathing, walking, talking, human then there is almost zero reason for you to have a personal rating below 1500 playing in a tier VI tank. All you're doing is screwing yourself as well as your team.

 

 

WG, find a way to tie availability of tank tiers to the personal rating so everyone doesn't have to continue to suffer these games please.



Collapsed_Eigenfunction #2 Posted Mar 05 2016 - 21:29

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if they did that I'd have to dedicate yellows like you to tier 4, and I'd be stuck at maybe tier 7

panzerkampfwagen9991 #3 Posted Mar 05 2016 - 21:31

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I'd make it all the way to tier 10 on my sealclubbing account, except I'd happily stay tier 1-3.

 



R_Razor #4 Posted Mar 05 2016 - 21:34

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View PostCaptain_Rex33, on Mar 05 2016 - 15:29, said:

if they did that I'd have to dedicate yellows like you to tier 4, and I'd be stuck at maybe tier 7

 

Except looking at your stats for your first 5000 battles you were no better than I currently am at under 3000 in most areas and worse in some as well. So yeah, your theory is as crappy as your post.

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View PostR_Razor, on Mar 05 2016 - 20:34, said:

 

Except looking at your stats for your first 5000 battles you were no better than I currently am at under 3000 in most areas and worse in some as well. So yeah, your theory is as crappy as your post.

 

 ​I'm just saying that if they went off PR nobody could play anything they wanted to

Mudman24 #6 Posted Mar 05 2016 - 21:40

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How would they make money selling tier 8 premiums then?  The answer is, they wouldn't, so no, they would never consider this idea.

3RiversRegt #7 Posted Mar 05 2016 - 22:12

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Sorry but WN8 is made and build for players who play heavy tank.  If you play TD and do over 3 K of damages 5 kills most of the time your WN 8 will be around 1500 because most of your shot is over 300 yeard of the battle.  You can play a light tank spotting for over 3K and your WN8 will be under 1500.  With a SPG you can have over 3 K of damages and your WN8 will be less then 1200.

 

All that to say  WN8 rate is base only in regard of heavy tank... heavy tank is near enemies (increase WN8) , bounce shot (bonus WN8) and damages in average 2 to 3 K per game and your WN8 will be 2500 +.  if you pass the 4 K damages then your WN8 will explode high sky.

 

Don't relay quality players with is WN8 some with high WN8 play mostly HEAVY and MEDIUM tank.  USE CHEATING ADD-ONS.

 

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View Post3RiversRegt, on Mar 05 2016 - 16:12, said:

Sorry but WN8 is made and build for players who play heavy tank.  If you play TD and do over 3 K of damages 5 kills most of the time your WN 8 will be around 1500 because most of your shot is over 300 yeard of the battle.  You can play a light tank spotting for over 3K and your WN8 will be under 1500.  With a SPG you can have over 3 K of damages and your WN8 will be less then 1200.

 

All that to say  WN8 rate is base only in regard of heavy tank... heavy tank is near enemies (increase WN8) , bounce shot (bonus WN8) and damages in average 2 to 3 K per game and your WN8 will be 2500 +.  if you pass the 4 K damages then your WN8 will explode high sky.

 

Don't relay quality players with is WN8 some with high WN8 play mostly HEAVY and MEDIUM tank.  USE CHEATING ADD-ONS.

 

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The OP was talking about personal rating, not WN8.  Completely different things.



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View Post3RiversRegt, on Mar 05 2016 - 22:12, said:

Sorry but WN8 is made and build for players who play heavy tank.  If you play TD and do over 3 K of damages 5 kills most of the time your WN 8 will be around 1500 because most of your shot is over 300 yeard of the battle.  You can play a light tank spotting for over 3K and your WN8 will be under 1500.  With a SPG you can have over 3 K of damages and your WN8 will be less then 1200.

 

All that to say  WN8 rate is base only in regard of heavy tank... heavy tank is near enemies (increase WN8) , bounce shot (bonus WN8) and damages in average 2 to 3 K per game and your WN8 will be 2500 +.  if you pass the 4 K damages then your WN8 will explode high sky.

 

Don't relay quality players with is WN8 some with high WN8 play mostly HEAVY and MEDIUM tank.  USE CHEATING ADD-ONS.

 

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So for me to have literally almost 3k Wn8 (Got 2954) in my Tier 7 Type 62 with 1400 games in it.. it means i'm cheating? 

No metric will ever be perfect, there will always be some kind of flaw people will see in it.



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View PostCaptain_Rex33, on Mar 05 2016 - 17:29, said:

if they did that I'd have to dedicate yellows  3800 PR    like you to tier 4, and I'd be stuck at maybe tier 7

 

Yeah, OP... be careful what you wish for.

RUSSification #11 Posted Mar 05 2016 - 22:54

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PVE mode may help. Trouble is, making rigid rules with NA East pop of 25k and West 7k wait times will be unacceptable.  Note:  those numbers based on what I see when playing.  If its much better or worse I likw to know.



R_Razor #12 Posted Mar 05 2016 - 22:56

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View PostGeorgePreddy, on Mar 05 2016 - 16:49, said:

 

Yeah, OP... be careful what you wish for.

 

Why should I be careful in this instance? I'd be fine being tier restricted until I improved, I'm basically doing it myself anyway........at least if it was hard coded into the game there would be less of the garbage matches currently seen, and less reason for the better players to come on the forums raising cain about the MM because they haven't figured out that the MM doesn't factor in player skill.

 

As to not being able to play what you want, improve yourself and earn your way up to the tanks you want to play and stop expecting everything to be handed to you on a silver platter.



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If people can't play the game to the level they personally feel comfortable at, or to achieve a goal they're personally aiming for, then why play?  The OP's post means that many, many people wouldn't have a hope to progress in the iters.  That means people not playing.  That means money not coming in.  That means the game dies.  And I'm sure the OP can work out that if the game dies, then there's no point in restricting people in this manner.

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View PostR_Razor, on Mar 05 2016 - 18:56, said:

 

Why should I be careful in this instance? I'd be fine being tier restricted until I improved, I'm basically doing it myself anyway........at least if it was hard coded into the game there would be less of the garbage matches currently seen, and less reason for the better players to come on the forums raising cain about the MM because they haven't figured out that the MM doesn't factor in player skill.

 

As to not being able to play what you want, improve yourself and earn your way up to the tanks you want to play and stop expecting everything to be handed to you on a silver platter.

 

OR...  you play the tanks you want to play, and everyone else can play the tanks THEY want to play.   mmmmmkay ??

 

WG is in it to make money... and that would be stifled by hundreds of thousands of players on NA Server (MILLIONS worldwide) being stuck permanently... yes PERMANENTLY in the low tiers.



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you do "not" play well in tier 7-8 tank/tanks you have played 135 battles in tiger 2 with a 768 wn8 and in your tiger 1 you have 272 battles with a 657 wn8,for the record that is just bad

R_Razor #16 Posted Mar 05 2016 - 23:15

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View PostGrEaSe_WhEeL, on Mar 05 2016 - 17:12, said:

you do "not" play well in tier 7-8 tank/tanks you have played 135 battles in tiger 2 with a 768 wn8 and in your tiger 1 you have 272 battles with a 657 wn8,for the record that is just bad

 

Reading is hard for you isn't it? Maybe you should read the OP before you start typing. But since it's obviously above your capability to understand, I'll spell it out for you..........I am aware that when I run VII and VIII tier tanks I am screwing my team, hence why I have so few battles in them, only run them when I am in a platoon with clan mates and they insist on playing those tiers.

 

4964 3551 ▼ -1413
Avg. Tier 0 0 ■ 0
Victories 2156 43.43% 1516 42.69% ▼ -640 ▼ -0.74%
Defeats 2736 55.12% 1989 56.01% ▼ -747 ▲ 0.89%
Draws 72 1.45% 46 1.3% ▼ -26 ▼ -0.15%
Survived 1150 23.17% 780 21.97% ▼ -370 ▼ -1.2%
Destroyed 1919 0.39 1125 0.32 ▼ -794 ▼ -0.07
K/D Ratio 0.5 0.41 ▼ -0.09
Detected 3420 0.69 2580 0.73 ▼ -840 ▲ 0.04
Damage 1682579 338.96 689016 194.03 ▼ -993563 ▼ -144.93
Capture Points 8122 1.64 5749 1.62 ▼ -2373 ▼ -0.02
Defense Points 2892 0.58 2041 0.57 ▼ -851 ▼ -0.01
Experience 1535747 309.38

 

And at 2k less battles I'm well above where you were at the same time, so maybe you should toss rocks around in that glass house too much.

And Georgie, when we play as you stated, we get people like you crying in the game chat and the forums complaining about being stuck with bad teams...........at least my way would eliminate that.



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There's a certain irony in you complaining about "stat mongers" and then wanting to shut people out from certain tiers because they don't play well.

 

Any idea that would segregate the player base (specifically on NA where it's so low) is both idiotic and misguided. What we should be doing is implementing proper tutorials regarding the game's mechanics, so people learn how to play better.



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View PostT2Terminator, on Mar 05 2016 - 17:19, said:

There's a certain irony in you complaining about "stat mongers" and then wanting to shut people out from certain tiers because they don't play well.

 

Any idea that would segregate the player base (specifically on NA where it's so low) is both idiotic and misguided. What we should be doing is implementing proper tutorials regarding the game's mechanics, so people learn how to play better.

 

So because you don't agree with it it's idiotic? Right, run along now Mr. non-constructive.

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View PostR_Razor, on Mar 05 2016 - 19:15, said:

 

Reading is hard for you isn't it? Maybe you should read the OP before you start typing.

 

And Georgie, when we play as you stated, we get people like you crying in the game chat and the forums complaining about being stuck with bad teams...........at least my way would eliminate that.

 

You better check yourself before you wreck yourself, cuz you are talking through your hat. Please SEARCH my forum threads/posts/replies.

I have NEVER, EVER complained about being stuck with bad teams !

 

Read my sig... I'm the one constantly saying "Random MM is best MM".  Do you understand what that means ? It means I don't CARE who is on my teams because in the long run we all get the SAME average teams if MM is random. Only   -- I --  make the difference when it comes to my stats. I accept fully that personal responsibility.



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Op is getting roasted.




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