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mattwong #121 Posted Mar 19 2016 - 07:50

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View PostMr5by5, on Mar 18 2016 - 21:39, said:

Did anybody realize that the thing NOT mentioned, but which has now become reality, is that the preferential matchmaking is now a thing of the past for the IS-6?  This is the reason for the changes.  I have been in tier 9 and 10 battles all night with it.

 

What the hell are you talking about?  Were you platooned with someone?  IS-6 still gets preferential match-making, as do its near-twins, the 112 and WZ-111.  I played the WZ-111 16 times tonight, and didn't see tier 10 once (as an aside, the WZ-111 is actually better than the IS-6 in some ways: its frontal armour is weaker but its turret is stronger, and it's much faster; I got my 2nd mark of excellence on it after playing 103 games total, which is a pretty good pace for me, especially since I played all of those games without Sixth Sense).

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There you go, larger than life proof for ya.  Still think I am crazy? 

 

IS-6 in Tier 9 battle



stalkervision #123 Posted Mar 19 2016 - 23:28

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I believe the Tier 8 Is-6 sees tier 9 matches. It isn't limited to just it's tier and below.  This is a tier 9 match isn't it or am I seeing things? :)

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Until last night, I have never seen anything but tier 8 and below.  Granted, I have only had the tank a short time myself, but my understanding is that the matchmaking preference meant that it would never see a tier 9 or 10 battle, only tier 8 and below, similar to the Pz B2 at tier 4.  Knowing that WG does not like the preferential matchmaking, and seeing the changes they are making in the IS-6, I figured that they had gone ahead and changed the matchmaking.  I have played two games in it today, but both were tier 8 max, so I am wondering now if the NA MM had some issues last night...

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View Poststalkervision, on Mar 19 2016 - 16:28, said:

I believe the Tier 8 Is-6 sees tier 9 matches. It isn't limited to just it's tier and below.  This is a tier 9 match isn't it or am I seeing things? :)

 

Exactly right. 

 

View PostMr5by5, on Mar 19 2016 - 17:10, said:

Until last night, I have never seen anything but tier 8 and below.  Granted, I have only had the tank a short time myself, but my understanding is that the matchmaking preference meant that it would never see a tier 9 or 10 battle, only tier 8 and below, similar to the Pz B2 at tier 4.  Knowing that WG does not like the preferential matchmaking, and seeing the changes they are making in the IS-6, I figured that they had gone ahead and changed the matchmaking.  I have played two games in it today, but both were tier 8 max, so I am wondering now if the NA MM had some issues last night...

Then consider your past experience as VERY VERY lucky. It DOES see tier 9. That is part of the PM. Not just tier 8. There is NO PM tank that only sees it's own tier. It only limits battles to one tier above.



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I guess I am then, as my first dozen or so games were max tier 8 battles.  Been playing since 2012, but as you can see I am only a recreation tanker.  It takes a pretty stiff smack in the head to get my attention....

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Mar 07 2016 - 20:12, said:

 

first off. i'll leave it to you to find out what you misspelled there

 

2nd. did IS-6  REALLY need this buff? low tiers already have enough trouble penning it.  all your doing is making people default to gold because aiming wont help at all.

 

long term this is gonna screw the tank over because people will spam gold so much that its armor will seem like its not there.

 

short term its gonna screw people who still TRY to aim.

 

 

 

when did the game switch from knowing weakspots and aiming.

to spamming gold because aiming wont help?

 

 

 

because thats a move to p2w.  devaluing skill in exchange for a wallet.

 

and there are tanks that need buffs more than the pump stomper pro tank.

 

like STA-2, or 59 patton,  how about some tier 7s? or tier 6s.  god knows what they are going to do against this now.  its basically an auto win unless the tier 6 and 7s brought gold.

 

and tier 8s, meds are gonna suffer unless they bring more gold.  tunnel maps + no weakspots(or less and harder to hit weakspots)

 

as a medium tank player, i can tell you how this looks to me, it looks like the competitor is more appealing for not forcing me to use gold.

 

 

 

are you balancing the game?  or catering to russians?

 

cause the performance this tank has right now

http://wot-news.com/.../tankinfo/en/us

 

is already basically above average

 

there is NO WAY this thing needs a buff.

 

there is NO statistical evidence.

 

 

i call BULL.

and demand you show ACTUAL EVIDENCE that this tank is performing badly enough to warrant a buff.  Alternatively you can show me the pen buff you plan to make to all tier 6, 7 tanks, and tier 8 meds.  to compensate for this .

 

 

 

you have ALOT of map fixing to do (removing tunnel maps and making it possible to flank without committing suicide)  before you can consider making these kinds of buffs.

 

 

 

all this kind of "removal of skill in exchange for catering to russian players and fat wallet players" will do is make people take the competitor seriously with their "no gold round" appeal.

 

Seems right, most Russian tanks are overpowered because this game is Russian and Russia must win.... lets see KV-fortress... KV-2.... KV-1... heavies are broken asf....... the mediums are ok.... the arty is way too accurate.....   i think that fits it all!

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View PostShadowDancer27, on Mar 10 2016 - 10:15, said:

The aggregate performance metrics don't support this change.  When players on-average win rate is higher in the tank than their garage in general it doesn't need a buff.

 

nice misspell... in your signature... centurian M7/1? what tank is that? never heard of that! Can i have it too?

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View PostMr5by5, on Mar 19 2016 - 23:10, said:

Until last night, I have never seen anything but tier 8 and below.  Granted, I have only had the tank a short time myself, but my understanding is that the matchmaking preference meant that it would never see a tier 9 or 10 battle, only tier 8 and below, similar to the Pz B2 at tier 4.  Knowing that WG does not like the preferential matchmaking, and seeing the changes they are making in the IS-6, I figured that they had gone ahead and changed the matchmaking.  I have played two games in it today, but both were tier 8 max, so I am wondering now if the NA MM had some issues last night...

 

​there's your explanation right there, the game is programmed to give you a honeymoon period with new tanks where it doesn't see high tier matches but trust me it sees tier 9, you can check the wiki

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View Postmattwong, on Mar 19 2016 - 06:50, said:

 

What the hell are you talking about?  Were you platooned with someone?  IS-6 still gets preferential match-making, as do its near-twins, the 112 and WZ-111.  I played the WZ-111 16 times tonight, and didn't see tier 10 once (as an aside, the WZ-111 is actually better than the IS-6 in some ways: its frontal armour is weaker but its turret is stronger, and it's much faster; I got my 2nd mark of excellence on it after playing 103 games total, which is a pretty good pace for me, especially since I played all of those games without Sixth Sense).

 

​I recently had a LOOOONG session to get 3rd moe can confirm it does see tier 9, GL with 3rd moe btw its a [edited]. 3000 dmg+ to keep moving up past 90% in my experience

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View PostTHE_BOOM101, on Mar 21 2016 - 07:45, said:

 

Seems right, most Russian tanks are overpowered because this game is Russian and Russia must win.... lets see KV-fortress... KV-2.... KV-1... heavies are broken asf....... the mediums are ok.... the arty is way too accurate.....   i think that fits it all!

 

​as someone who actually plays Russian tanks instead of sitting around pulling asinine ideas out of my [edited], kv4 is a fat, slow pos goldmagnet, kv1 ditto, kv2 hasn't been op since like 7.3 and is pretty much obsolete thanks to OI, an ammo rack on tracks, and the only arty that is even REMOTELY Accurate is the 261 which no ones plays anymore since conq gc can drop a LOIC beam anywhere on the map....seriously why do baddies even talk?

mattwong #132 Posted Mar 21 2016 - 20:36

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View Postotacon237, on Mar 21 2016 - 13:45, said:

​I recently had a LOOOONG session to get 3rd moe can confirm it does see tier 9, GL with 3rd moe btw its a [edited]. 3000 dmg+ to keep moving up past 90% in my experience

 

I have to admit that I don't really have the discipline to work that hard, so I've never gotten 3 MOEs in a tank.  I generally get 2 MOEs without really intending to, if I play a tank a lot, but a 3rd MOE requires too much focus for me.  I'm the guy who spends his 30-second countdown going to the bathroom and getting a Coke out of the fridge, not the guy who spends that time thinking about team dispositions and planning where to go.



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Still waiting for WG to buff the American T34 premium. The gun handling and poor ROF should have been addressed years ago. Furthermore, it actually gets into T10 games unlike the IS6. This company picks and chooses whatever it likes to buff or nerf. There's absolutely no consistency in their process.

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View PostPattoN243, on Mar 25 2016 - 03:53, said:

Still waiting for WG to buff the American T34 premium. The gun handling and poor ROF should have been addressed years ago. Furthermore, it actually gets into T10 games unlike the IS6. This company picks and chooses whatever it likes to buff or nerf. There's absolutely no consistency in their process.

 

conisdering its gun is essentially a tier 10 gun.  theres a reason for the low rof and gun handling.   which is actually on par with other heavy tanks at its tier that have extreme pen with good alpha.

 

the turret is T30 level.  as is the hull.

 

its essentially a T30 with middle gun.  a middle gun that is great at tier 9. and epic at tier 8.

they had to nerf its rof otherwise it would have out performed the T30 for being a tier 8 prem.



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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Mar 25 2016 - 15:30, said:

 

conisdering its gun is essentially a tier 10 gun.  theres a reason for the low rof and gun handling.   which is actually on par with other heavy tanks at its tier that have extreme pen with good alpha.

 

the turret is T30 level.  as is the hull.

 

its essentially a T30 with middle gun.  a middle gun that is great at tier 9. and epic at tier 8.

they had to nerf its rof otherwise it would have out performed the T30 for being a tier 8 prem.

 

 


 

I play premium tanks to make credits and train crews. if the gun handling is piss poor, then I can't do it very well. If you compare this things RoF to other T8 heavies it's garbage. Furthermore, no American Heavy in the game has a 3.4 sec aim time other than the T34. The aim time should be around 2.9 seconds and the RoF should be around 4.25. And your comment about the T34 having the same turret as the T30 is bogus too. The T29 at T7 has the same turret.


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agree, the t-34 needs some buffs too. What you say is very true.

andreysoklic #137 Posted Apr 30 2016 - 13:57

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I think the only buff it should get is penetration on its gun :P I really want to make money not to waste money shooting APCR at idk IS-3 ... I try to avoid firing APCR and focus on weak spots but it's pretty hard and 170mm of penetration is just not enough I think :P

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Seriously is6 isn't op it's one of the worst tanks of its tier. Upper plate is only 180 effective, angling is impossible because of cheeks, and the gun is crap even with gold it only has 216 pen.

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View PostDON4LD_TRUMP, on Mar 08 2016 - 01:04, said:

Buff a tank that already bounces pubbies all day. Makes a lot of sense. So when are you gonna buff arty too? It needs more buffs!!!!

Lol yes that name I lov it



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View PostTanksR_Epic2, on Apr 30 2016 - 08:45, said:

Seriously is6 isn't op it's one of the worst tanks of its tier. Upper plate is only 180 effective, angling is impossible because of cheeks, and the gun is crap even with gold it only has 216 pen.

 

It's not OP, but it's still a good tank.  Its steeply angled armour gets plenty of troll bounces, and its shape makes it a strong assault tank.  A lot of tanks have excellent armour from one particular direction or one situation (eg- hull-down T-29), but they are not good for assaulting because of poor DPM and terrible hull or side armour.  The IS-6's frontal armour is not exceptional for its tier, but its side armour is.  This makes it good for assaulting, and you can't have a team made up entirely of tanks which can only defend and not assault.




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