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Poll: Best Passive Scouts (127 members have cast votes)

Tier IV

  1. T-50 (23 votes [18.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.11%

  2. Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) n.A. (19 votes [14.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.96%

  3. Pz.Kpfw. II Luchs (62 votes [48.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.82%

  4. M5 Stuart (13 votes [10.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.24%

  5. M5A1 Stuart (10 votes [7.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.87%

Tier V

  1. VK 16.02 Leopard (9 votes [7.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.09%

  2. M24 Chaffee (54 votes [42.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.52%

  3. AMX ELC bis (64 votes [50.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.39%

Tier VI

  1. MT-25 (15 votes [11.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.81%

  2. VK 28.01 (7 votes [5.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.51%

  3. T21 (2 votes [1.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.57%

  4. T37 (15 votes [11.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.81%

  5. AMX 12 t (22 votes [17.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.32%

  6. 59-16 (23 votes [18.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.11%

  7. Type 64 (43 votes [33.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.86%

Tier VII

  1. LTTB (14 votes [11.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.02%

  2. Spähpanzer SP I C (9 votes [7.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.09%

  3. T71 (13 votes [10.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.24%

  4. M41 Walker Bulldog (30 votes [23.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.62%

  5. AMX 13 75 (16 votes [12.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.60%

  6. AMX 13 57 GF (8 votes [6.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.30%

  7. WZ-131 (27 votes [21.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.26%

  8. Type 62 (10 votes [7.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.87%

VIII

  1. T-54 ltwt. (22 votes [17.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.32%

  2. Spähpanzer Ru 251 (42 votes [33.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.07%

  3. T49 (10 votes [7.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.87%

  4. AMX 13 90 (31 votes [24.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.41%

  5. WZ-132 (22 votes [17.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.32%

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moogleslam #1 Posted Mar 09 2016 - 16:03

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Please vote based only on each tanks passive scouting ability!

Brevillance #2 Posted Mar 09 2016 - 16:15

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i just want to point out that you can go to tanks.gg and just compare camo, the highest camo/view range with a good crew, binocs, camo net, camo skill and vents will do best. its not really subjective

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There are some minor factors besides camp, view range, that may alter ease of passive scouting, how small is the tank? Can it for in the smaller brush? How long is the gun, if it sticks out that can cause you to be spotted. How fast can you cross the open space to get to your bush? A faster tank Can get to hidden places enemies don't expect as they may assume they would have seen you crossing a field, but you got to the spot before expected. These are certainly much less important than camo and view range, with I'd say camo being 2x more important than view range, however those do make a difference. Also the amount of premium you put on camo vs view range could be subjective. Haven't played enough different scouts to weigh in, but in the scout I do play those are some additional factors that have resulted in problem or advantage.

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View Postmoogleslam, on Mar 09 2016 - 10:03, said:

Please vote based only on each tanks passive scouting ability!

Focusing just on passive scouting is a sucker's bet. Good scouts learn when to be active and when to be passive.



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View PostAuhYup, on Mar 09 2016 - 10:33, said:

There are some minor factors besides camp, view range, that may alter ease of passive scouting, how small is the tank? Can it for in the smaller brush? How long is the gun, if it sticks out that can cause you to be spotted. How fast can you cross the open space to get to your bush? A faster tank Can get to hidden places enemies don't expect as they may assume they would have seen you crossing a field, but you got to the spot before expected. These are certainly much less important than camo and view range, with I'd say camo being 2x more important than view range, however those do make a difference. Also the amount of premium you put on camo vs view range could be subjective. Haven't played enough different scouts to weigh in, but in the scout I do play those are some additional factors that have resulted in problem or advantage.

 

guns sticking out of a bush dont cause u to get spotted

Super_Noodle #6 Posted Mar 09 2016 - 17:23

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I'd say judging tanks based on their passive scouting ability is more or less pointless considering passive scouting is useful on maybe one or two maps now.

steelrain97 #7 Posted Mar 09 2016 - 17:24

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Scouting is dead in this game, there are only a handful of maps where light tanks can actually function as scouts. Light tanks need to be chameleons and function in whichever role your team needs at the time. That can be scout, sniper, support tank, flanker etc. Regardless, most players have no idea what scouting means or how to effectively scout anyway. If you want to play a light tank, regardless of it capabilities, it's more important to understand how to scout effectively, and understand the capabilities and limitations of your tank than to pick the best vehicle based on one characteristic, because the best passive scout is useless once you get click battle and end up on Stalingrad.

Doomslinger #8 Posted Mar 09 2016 - 17:27

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You generally want a fast tank that can get to those spotting locations before the enemy can see you.  Have a good camo crew with binocs or optics installed and you are good to go.  Not a lot of mystery there, just know how to use the tank and where to go to get those spots.  I use optics on any tank with 380 meters of base view range or more and a good crew.  Anything below 380 and I use bincos instead.  You should go watch some of Tazilon's vids in the game guides section, he seems to like passive spotting and he plays tanks that are good at it and with the best passive spotting equipment.  I have seen him run both optics and binocs on some of his tier 4 and 5 scout tanks.

Cpt_Zapp_Brannigan #9 Posted Mar 09 2016 - 18:01

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the problem with the ELC is VR and Radio. I have tried to help with what I feel is the weak areas relating to its role as a scout on the battlefield.  My signal range with vents and 100% signal boosting is at 460 m, but is still crap for a scout. My VR is 375 with vents, 96% recon, I sometimes swap out for binocs or coated optics if I want to passive scout in it.

Tazilon #10 Posted Mar 11 2016 - 02:18

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lolo@Type 64 being ahead.   At best, it is 3rd in tier.

heavymetal1967 #11 Posted Mar 11 2016 - 02:42

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Tiers.   And per the others there's more than view range/camo.  But you can't overlook (no pun intended) those values.

 

4. Pz38nA best view range at 370m. Luchs, US Stuart at 360m. Chinese Stuart 350m.  T-50 330m.  Camo comparison, http://www.wotinfo.net/en/camouflage?country=all&vehicletype=lt&tier=4&showLines=30&_showPremium=on&sort=stationary_desc

 

Sidebar on the tier fours.  I know it's not a scout, but look at Ke-Ho's camo.  View range is 340m.

 

5. Chaffee best view at 390m.  Leo 380m and ELC 360m. Camo values, http://www.wotinfo.net/en/camouflage?country=all&vehicletype=lt&tier=5&showLines=30&_showPremium=on&sort=stationary_desc

 

6. 64, VK and T21 390m.  T37 385m. 59-16, 12t 380m.  MT-25 370m.   Camo values, http://www.wotinfo.net/en/camouflage?country=all&vehicletype=lt&tier=6&showLines=30&_showPremium=on&sort=stationary_desc

 

7.  Bulldog, 71, SP I C 400m. Others 390m.  Camo, http://www.wotinfo.net/en/camouflage?country=all&vehicletype=lt&tier=7&showLines=30&_showPremium=on&sort=stationary_desc

 

8.  All 400m except 54 lightweight at 390m.  Camo, http://www.wotinfo.net/en/camouflage?country=all&vehicletype=lt&tier=8&showLines=30&_showPremium=on&sort=stationary_desc


Edited by heavymetal1967, Mar 11 2016 - 02:46.


Riptide109 #12 Posted Mar 11 2016 - 06:54

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View PostTazilon, on Mar 10 2016 - 17:18, said:

lolo@Type 64 being ahead.   At best, it is 3rd in tier.

Then there's Taz, with his 52.8k games in his VK28.01



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I don't think people are considering the poll is for PASSIVE scouts, not best scout overall.

thehelmsman #14 Posted Mar 14 2016 - 12:10

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Indeed. Otherwise, how does the Luchs beat the 38nA, which is smaller, has better camo, and sees further?

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Best passive scout? As has been said above, this is very map dependent and not the main thing scouts can/should be doing in the current game. That said...

Tier 4. I suppose the Pz 38t na. But none are really that good. I kept the Luchs for fun factor, but that said, it is not that great of a passive scout.

Tier 5. IMHO is is a battle between the OP camo of the ELC (with crap radio and viewing range) and the OP viewing range of the Chaffee. Both are able to be abused...

Tier 6. 12t and 59-16 both have amazing camo. Personally I pick the 59-16 because it is a much more mobile platform to get to good spots faster - and to run away and stay alive if things go bad. I have been shocked at where I can get in the 59-16 without being seen...

Tier 7. I went with the 13-75 since I have experience with this. The WZ 131 is a great scout too. The others seem to sacrifice scouting a bit for combat abilities.

No experience with tier 8 lights...



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Note that while decent guns are a nice touch to a good scout, scouting ability comes first. If I mention guns, it's usually intended as a "tie breaker". Also, for the record, I prefer view range over camo in my passive scouts. If you're passive, you're in a bush and not firing which means you're pretty well-concealed anyway. Be sure to bring that camo net though!

 

As far as scouts, these are my picks:

 

Tier 4: Pz. 38 nA. While tanks like the Luchs have punchier guns, this tank has the edge in view range, camo, and mobility, all things a good scout needs.

Tier 5: Chaffee (personally my favorite light tank). While the camo and profile are not as good as the ELC's, the view range is spectacular, and it outspots an ELC with the same crew/equipment load-out. With binoculars, the Chaffee overspots max VR by over 30m, which means you're going to cut into camo of tanks (EXTREMELY helpful in a passive scout) whereas in the ELC with binoculars you only overspot by 5m. Not to mention that in a 1v1 the Chaffee maintains modest fighting ability in a pinch, whereas with an ELC you get to take one (likely poorly-aimed) shot, and run in vain as you get obliterated while on the reload.

Tier 6: Type 64. It's basically a structurally weaker T37 that compensates with better scouting ability. Non-premium, the 59-16 would be my choice, due to its excellent camo, low profile, and reasonable VR.

Tier 7: M41 Bulldog. While its counterparts may have a bit more camo and smaller profiles, we're not too worried about passive light tanks spotting each other if they are well-concealed, and the 400m view range is always a nice touch (It also out-camo's any other tier 7 light with 400m VR). With 72km/h getaway speed and a 10-round autoloader, even if your cover is blown you'll likely get the chance to scout again by either outrunning or outgunning your opponent.

 

And finally,

 

Tier 8: AMX 13 90. This is the only French lightweight that tops its tier, and it is well-deserved. Its mobility may be outclassed by the Ru 251, but its view range is best-in-tier (well, tied with a few others) and its camo has a slight edge over its adversaries. While not a scouting feature, its 90mm autoloader can also prove devastating in the late game with its 1440 average burst damage per clip, able to take out any other tier 8 light and have 50% HP left to take on another.

 

Overall, it's not a matter of which line is best, it's a matter of which lines should be avoided. If you like brawly, well-armed pseudo-lights, grab the T-54 ltwt or the LTTB. If you want a true scout, the Russians will likely let you down.

 

View Post_Tsavo_, on Mar 14 2016 - 12:06, said:

Active scouting > passive scouting, that is all.

 

Depends on the tank and the map. At high tiers, that's pretty much true. But on certain maps, there are passive spotting locations that give good vision of most of the map and with a good enough crew enemies won't see you until they're 50 meters away. I've had several 5000+ spotting damage games from passive spotting on maps like Prokhorovka and Erlenberg.

 

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Edited by curti25, Aug 04 2016 - 16:49.


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bulldog has horrible cammo rating. 

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View PostTheBlueBaron, on Dec 18 2016 - 10:31, said:

bulldog has horrible cammo rating. 

 

"I prefer view range over camo in my passive scouts."

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View Postcurti25, on Mar 14 2017 - 00:47, said:

 

"I prefer view range over camo in my passive scouts."

 

Well, you really need both.  Sitting in a lot of good bushes with 500 view range and no camo is going to get you killed a lot of the time.

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View Postmoogleslam, on Mar 14 2017 - 12:35, said:

 

Well, you really need both.  Sitting in a lot of good bushes with 500 view range and no camo is going to get you killed a lot of the time.

 

Cammo and view range work well together . . .    Great cammo and horrible view range has its limitations. .   no cammo and great view range works. .  but it's certainly a lot better the more cammo you have .. .




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