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The Chieftain's Hatch: German Tactics, as Told by the USSR


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Content_WG #1 Posted Apr 05 2016 - 18:42

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An article from the Red Star newspaper about German tank tactics.

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TwixOps #2 Posted Apr 05 2016 - 19:23

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Ooh, a chieftain's hatch article, my favorite.  

ManicDVLN #3 Posted Apr 05 2016 - 22:15

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Russians talking about German tactics, yep no bias there just like there is no bias in this game. Yet everyone fails to mention every German killed 4 russians. Most of them were serfs with a rifle. Russia won because of winter and limited resources by German army since they fought on two fronts. Germany was not too far from Moscow, their plan could have succeeded.

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Rakkedyman #4 Posted Apr 05 2016 - 23:20

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Always a treat to get a glimpse at things like this that were intended for the normal soldiers. Thanks, Chieftain!

 

Tragic that there's no downvote button for the poster above me.


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minim8greyhound #5 Posted Apr 06 2016 - 00:16

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Good read,

Although I wouldn't trust info given by the USSR without double checking it from another source.



FrozenKemp #6 Posted Apr 06 2016 - 01:54

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The point of reading such a news article from the time is not to get the unvarnished truth, but to see what the Russians thought, or what they were presenting to their people. 

ManicDVLN #7 Posted Apr 06 2016 - 02:22

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View PostRakkedyman, on Apr 05 2016 - 22:20, said:

Always a treat to get a glimpse at things like this that were intended for the normal soldiers. Thanks, Chieftain!

 

Tragic that there's no downvote button for the poster above me.

 

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View PostManicDVLN, on Apr 05 2016 - 20:22, said:

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You seem upset.

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The_Chieftain #10 Posted Apr 06 2016 - 02:27

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View PostManicDVLN, on Apr 06 2016 - 01:22, said:

*******

 

Not that it's the point of this thread, but the Soviet soldiers in Berlin seem to indicate that it worked, didn't it? 



ManicDVLN #11 Posted Apr 06 2016 - 02:33

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Apr 06 2016 - 01:27, said:

 

Not that it's the point of this thread, but the Soviet soldiers in Berlin seem to indicate that it worked, didn't it? 

 

Oh you mean with the aid allie supplies to your georgian mountain goat herder Stalin, two front battle, a cold dysentery happy winter and millions of russian bodies to climb over? Yeah it worked great when Russian soldier value was less than a dog. #SerfPride

 

They clearly marked their victory in Berlin with non-stop raping of civilians https://en.wikipedia...tion_of_Germany

 

Was that part of their awesome strategy?

 

 


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Tell us about how good German tanks were, especially the Panther. :trollface:

Belesarius #13 Posted Apr 06 2016 - 02:45

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Wow, this guy is a special freaking snowflake isn't he?  Going to fellate your favorite German general publiclly?  Or spread that story of the 'good german army'?   Freaking wheraboos...

 

 



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German armored tactics were so great!

 

Just look at how they performed during Operation Bagration!

 

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ManicDVLN #16 Posted Apr 06 2016 - 03:07

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World War II casualties of the Soviet Union from all related causes numbered over 20,000,000

 

******

 

56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" for the USSR overall, with 34 to 49 million under Stalin.

 

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View PostManicDVLN, on Apr 06 2016 - 01:33, said:

 

Oh you mean with the aid allie supplies to your georgian mountain goat herder Stalin, two front battle, a cold dysentery happy winter and millions of russian bodies to climb over? Yeah it worked great when Russian soldier value was less than a dog. #SerfPride

 

They clearly marked their victory in Berlin with non-stop raping of civilians https://en.wikipedia...tion_of_Germany

 

Was that part of their awesome strategy?

 

 

 

Yes the Soviets had huge amounts of supplies coming in from Western Allies - but that was the clear difference between the two military alliances.  The United States supplied the industrial backbone and won the war by sheer economies of scale.  The Japanese, Germans and Italians were allies on paper - and did not contribute to each other's war efforts.  In fact, Germany had to save their Italian allies on their failed offensives in Africa and southeast Europe.

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View PostManicDVLN, on Apr 05 2016 - 16:15, said:

Russians talking about German tactics, yep no bias there just like there is no bias in this game. Yet everyone fails to mention every German killed 4 russians. Most of them were serfs with a rifle. Russia won because of winter and limited resources by German army since they fought on two fronts. Germany was not too far from Moscow, their plan could have succeeded.

If the Soviets lost ~8.6 million military dead, that means the Germans(and all their other allies- Finns, Italians, Romanians, Hungarians, etc.) would have only lost ~2 million. They lost closer to 5 or 6 million in Eastern Europe. 

 

lol @ serfs

 

The Russians had to deal with freezing temps too, and had to have troops in the west to fend against Japanese aggression. 

 

Moscow could have fallen and the Soviets could have fought on. It isn't like capturing Moscow would automatically have Germany win, if anything it would be turned into a tide-turning Stalingrad, just earlier. 

View PostManicDVLN, on Apr 05 2016 - 20:22, said:

 

Yeah cause Soviet Russia, a country WHO COULDN'T EVEN FEED ITS OWN PEOPLE AND UNDERSTAND BASIC CONCEPTS OF AGRICULTURE SOMEHOW HAVE OUTSMARTED GERMAN ARMY. MORON.

 

RUSSIAN BASIC STRATEGY WAS GO FORWARD OR WE WILL SHOOT ANYONE WHO RETREATS. TALK ABOUT MORALE!

Dumb Germans. 

 

I guess Tukhachevsky is a name you aren't familiar with. 

View PostManicDVLN, on Apr 05 2016 - 20:33, said:

 

Oh you mean with the aid allie supplies to your georgian mountain goat herder Stalin, two front battle, a cold dysentery happy winter and millions of russian bodies to climb over? Yeah it worked great when Russian soldier value was less than a dog. #SerfPride

 

They clearly marked their victory in Berlin with non-stop raping of civilians https://en.wikipedia...tion_of_Germany

 

Was that part of their awesome strategy?

 

 

Its odd that the Soviet Rape of Berlin is based off of only a few hospital records of women who gave birth to half-German half-Russians. I guess a narrative trumps data, but who cares. 

 

The Germans also had their fair share of raping millions of Soviet women. 

 



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View PostManicDVLN, on Apr 05 2016 - 21:07, said:

World War II casualties of the Soviet Union from all related causes numbered over 20,000,000

You know this counts some 11-13 million civilians and POWs? 



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OK, Manic. Fun's over. Constructive/mature posts only from this point on, please.




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