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Staff sergeant
Xeraux, on Apr 17 2016 - 12:15, said:
Literally where's your proof I'm interested and think you're wrong.
I got what happened in 8.6 and 9.3 incorrect it auto-bounces HEAT at 80 degrees. Straight HE seems to bounce at either really shallow angles, or at low velocities on spaced armor. Several sources (the old FTR, WG wikis, and guide forums all show this.) There are also several youtube videos showing bounces. (This happened to me last game in my JPZe100, HE bounced off the side.)
Major
MarshmellowTitanic, on Apr 17 2016 - 09:22, said:
So please tell my why my M44 BOUNCES HE shells off OIs then ??
It won't. The shell will sometimes fail to penetrate, unless you're firing HEAT in which case yeah, it bounces.
P.S with the * new * Physics changes HE Bounces !!
Why would physics change the pen mechanics for high explosive shells?
My SU 100Y bounces at least once every MM
Why the hell are you firing HE from the SU-100Y and it's called a game/match/battle not an MM.
Da_Oberst, on Apr 17 2016 - 09:34, said:
I got what happened in 8.6 and 9.3 incorrect it auto-bounces HEAT at 80 degrees. Straight HE seems to bounce at either really shallow angles, or at low velocities on spaced armor. Several sources (the old FTR, WG wikis, and guide forums all show this.) There are also several youtube videos showing bounces. (This happened to me last game in my JPZe100, HE bounced off the side.)
No I get HE not penetrating and not dealing damage but what I'm arguing is that HE doesn't bounce or ricochet, but fails to pen. It still explodes on the armor. That's what I believe.
Staff sergeant
Xeraux, on Apr 17 2016 - 12:39, said:
No I get HE not penetrating and not dealing damage but what I'm arguing is that HE doesn't bounce or ricochet, but fails to pen. It still explodes on the armor. That's what I believe.
I don't have automatic replays on my machine, but I am telling you, an HE round did no damage to me and XVM told me it was a "bounce". The more I look into this topic the more confused I get, but it has happened to me twice now.
Edited by Da_Oberst, Apr 17 2016 - 18:46.
Sergeant
Major
Da_Oberst, on Apr 17 2016 - 09:45, said:
I don't have automatic replays on my machine, but I am telling you, an HE round did no damage to me and XVM told me it was a "bounce". The more I look into this topic the more confused I get, but it has happened to me twice now.
Sure, some time. At the moment I can't, sadly, but some time I'm game.
XVM hitlog makes mistakes btw.
Major
TheAnimal15, on Apr 17 2016 - 17:56, said:
What a logical constructive response from a WG fanboy!
if there is something i am not is a fanboy, quite the oposite. may be i should writte /sarcasm after the video for people to understand the joke of the guy bouncing a gunshot with a ring 
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back to HE. the problem is on the mechanics, HE behaves in a realy akward way becouse its coded to behave like that.
HE mechanics in a nutshell for a non pen hit: 0,5 * dmg *(1-impact dist / splash) -1.1 * nominal armor thickness*spall coeficient and quite sure that when it comes to spaced armor that formula is aplied twice.
heck i have hit ue 57 side tracks + 6mm armor with a 105 and he took less than 100 dmg wich is not a surprise when you do the numbers
hit tracks = 0.5*410 = 210 dmg
remaining damage vs hull= 0.5*200 - 6 = 94
if you hit the tracks or gun with a low roll, the double reduction + splash distance reduction could produce a damage low enought for hellcat armor to negate it.
personaly i think HE formula needs to be reworked in a way where the reduction is % instead of flat (nerf to big hitters without making smal calibers useless) and more based on the nominal armor.
furthermore they need to split cannons HE with arty HE, otherwise its simply imposible to balance the round when you have on the same tier 90-120mm guns shooting 100-150mm of nominal armor (front sides) and 150+ guns hitting 50mm of armor (roof).
Captain
Xeraux, on Apr 17 2016 - 18:39, said:
No I get HE not penetrating and not dealing damage but what I'm arguing is that HE doesn't bounce or ricochet, but fails to pen. It still explodes on the armor. That's what I believe.
SU 100Y ,, SHOOTS HE ,,, *** That one BOUNCED *** I hear that at least every MM I play my SU 100Y
M 44 HE on an OI *** That one Bounced ***
Its NOT *** that one didnt go through ***
So Either WoT has the wrong ** announcement ** or its a Bounce
Captain
Da_Oberst, on Apr 17 2016 - 18:45, said:
I don't have automatic replays on my machine, but I am telling you, an HE round did no damage to me and XVM told me it was a "bounce". The more I look into this topic the more confused I get, but it has happened to me twice now.
Every MM is *** AUTO REPLAYED ***
Look in your WoT folder for Replays , copy it to your desk top
When you get a Wonky game,
go into REPLAYS FOLDER and Rename >>>>>>>>>>>>> ** replay_last_battle.wotreplay ** <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
that will save your last battle
P.S. as soon as you hit ** BATTLE ** that file is REWRITTEN with the new battle
so you do not have to have replays turned on at all !!
Edited by MarshmellowTitanic, Apr 17 2016 - 20:58.
Major
Xeraux, on Apr 18 2016 - 04:50, said:
Literally impossible for an HE shell to bounce.
No its not. I get "we didn't penetrate their armour" for 0 damage all the time. A few days ago even, I bounced a HESH shell from my Cent AX off the side of a 121s turret (the shell was intented for a waffle that had just died)
Major
MarshmellowTitanic, on Apr 18 2016 - 07:53, said:
SU 100Y ,, SHOOTS HE ,,, *** That one BOUNCED *** I hear that at least every MM I play my SU 100Y
M 44 HE on an OI *** That one Bounced ***
Its NOT *** that one didnt go through ***
So Either WoT has the wrong ** announcement ** or its a Bounce
Can you not with this disgusting formatting?
Captain
Xeraux, on Apr 17 2016 - 17:16, said:
I still think it explodes for no damage Scorp. Replay or it didn't happen.
I've played my FV304 which fires only HE, hit the front of Jap heavies for no damage and the crew says "that one bounced". In the after battles reports it shows multiple hits and some of the shells didn't penetrate. HE can bounce.
Captain
MarshmellowTitanic, on Apr 17 2016 - 19:57, said:
Every MM is *** AUTO REPLAYED ***
Look in your WoT folder for Replays , copy it to your desk top
When you get a Wonky game,
go into REPLAYS FOLDER and Rename >>>>>>>>>>>>> ** replay_last_battle.wotreplay ** <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
that will save your last battle
P.S. as soon as you hit ** BATTLE ** that file is REWRITTEN with the new battle
so you do not have to have replays turned on at all !!
Not true. There are three settings, every replay saved, just the last one, and off completely. What are you are talking about is the second option. The third option is a thing, some people don't have hard drive room.
Major
TheLightKnight, on Apr 17 2016 - 14:06, said:
I've played my FV304 which fires only HE, hit the front of Jap heavies for no damage and the crew says "that one bounced". In the after battles reports it shows multiple hits and some of the shells didn't penetrate. HE can bounce.
I've both bounced, shells from, and shot from arty. HE bounces happen. They shouldn't, but they do.
Corporal
GeorgePreddy, on Apr 17 2016 - 17:57, said:
So... where is the replay to verify what ACTUALLY happened ??
You telling us how you perceived events means nothing, just a cool story, bruh.
Replay, or it's no more than a rumor.
What an idiotic thing to say, even if i didn't provide replay, im sure everyone but super fanboys already have experienced such. It happened, im not wasting time to show you fanboys proof of something i know what happened
Captain
In conclusion, I would like to share this image of a Type 4 replay that I have watched and proves the differences.
First lieutenant
Scorpiany, on Apr 17 2016 - 18:14, said:
Either that, or you thought that you were shooting HE; but actually fired off an AP round and hit his gun / tracks / rear of turret at an angle.
My thought exactly. Its very easy to forget to load HE and end up firing a few AP before you realize. Don't carry AP for KV-2 IMO.
Major
TheAnimal15, on Apr 17 2016 - 17:55, said:
It didn't even track them and it was HE.
It did nothing but the tank icon light dimmed like all other bounces. Plus i didn't shoot the tracks, i shot jn the center.
Without a replay, nobody can really help you with this. All anybody can do is guess. It is on you. Perhaps you could stop calling people "fanboys" long enough to just post your replay.
Edited by TLWiz, Apr 19 2016 - 17:01.
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