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ToothDecay #61 Posted May 19 2016 - 22:56

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View Postbcunya15, on May 04 2016 - 09:29, said:

I was in both gulf wars. Being a air combat controller my spotter and i lived in hell but kill the enemy and I relive what i went thru everday and all the suffering I go thru was worth it. thanks chief

 

Get in touch with the VA, please.

Sounds like you're in pain.

Don't let it get worse.

They may not get all their treatments right, but PTSD is something they CAN help with.

Please don't just try to deal.

It doesn't work.



Iron_Soul_Stealer #62 Posted May 20 2016 - 02:16

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View Poststalkervision, on May 18 2016 - 11:03, said:

 

  No doubt....​Want to hear a actual us army cadence ?

 

 Look up "Napalm Sticks to kids.."

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOTsMHTwshg

View Postfavrepeoria, on May 19 2016 - 16:44, said:

I know of a shorter almost worse version of that but with the same meaning. Much more catchy too as I still remember it after quite a few years

 

That's disturbing, but not surprising. And again...that's just the "military way" of deliberate and systematic desensitization of it's troops, and creating an "us vs. them" mentality. It just gets worse from there.

 

View PostToothDecay, on May 19 2016 - 16:56, said:

 

Get in touch with the VA, please.

Sounds like you're in pain.

Don't let it get worse.

They may not get all their treatments right, but PTSD is something they CAN help with.

Please don't just try to deal.

It doesn't work.

 

^..Yes...This.

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And again, on that note....

What continues to trouble me most about these current wars, is that these places will probably end up going back to exactly the same messed up [edited] hole places that they were before...possibly even worse. The whole desert box fiasco is now looking like a terrible waste of human lives, resources, and tax payers dollars.

 

*As I mentioned earlier, my biggest fear is that it will all have been for nothing. Just like Vietnam was. It was all for nothing.

 



CapturedJoe #63 Posted May 20 2016 - 08:57

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View PostAllPower5, on May 19 2016 - 22:28, said:

So tank commander open the hatch and scan the horizon exposed? Then they wait for shooting to start before they duck inside and close the hatch? 

 

Some tank commanders didn't even bother to duck inside when the fight started, like Ervin Tarczay, who directed his tank's fire from his open hatch.

He also seemed quite good at crushing enemy AT guns under his Panther's tracks.



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View Postfavrepeoria, on May 19 2016 - 16:44, said:

I know of a shorter almost worse version of that but with the same meaning. Much more catchy too as I still remember it after quite a few years

 

​could you post it? :)

The_Chieftain #65 Posted May 20 2016 - 17:22

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View PostAllPower5, on May 19 2016 - 21:28, said:

So tank commander open the hatch and scan the horizon exposed? Then they wait for shooting to start before they duck inside and close the hatch? 

 

Yep.

 

The ducking is optional. In my case, it was small arms at close range. There's also the matter that the gunner's sight extension is inside the tank, so if you want to verify what the gunner's actually aiming at, you need to be down.



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Entering training to be a M1A2 Abrams crewman, any suggestions before I head out to basic?

The_Chieftain #67 Posted May 20 2016 - 20:18

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View PostSamurai_TwoSeven, on May 20 2016 - 19:12, said:

Entering training to be a M1A2 Abrams crewman, any suggestions before I head out to basic?

 

See http://worldoftanks....g_Basic/?page=1



Laceylace #68 Posted May 21 2016 - 06:25

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I'm currently with the German armed forces. It's so nice to see people being civil and talking here. Did a tour of northern afghan in Marmal until I was injured. Luckily my injures were recoverable. I loved every soldier I saw over that and I am so glad I was able to speak and understand English thanks to schooling. Able to talk to Americans when they pass through and all. Learn what was happening with other units.

Iron_Soul_Stealer #69 Posted Jun 01 2016 - 02:17

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View PostSpector668, on May 18 2016 - 04:37, said:

..........

and to Iron....

...........

 

^..What...? You're too afraid to actually quote and respond directly to my posts..?

 

View PostSpector668, on May 18 2016 - 04:37, said:

 

and to Iron....

Perhaps more on point would be to say that on one level I liked finally knowing that the crapload of training, battle drills, mental gymnastics, etc.. that I did for that moment when it all hit the fan did truly pay off.....and that the Abrams was up to the task as a tank. This feeling could be termed my Professional 'like'.

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^..."Hello, you've reached your conscience. We're not home right now, but if you'd like to leave a message after the tone, hopefully we'll get back to you. Thank you, and have a nice day." *beeeeep*

 

View Poststalkervision, on May 05 2016 - 07:40, said:

Our money is going to support corrupt regimes and often we pay it out in suit case of cash to the most corrupt officials. 

 

^...It's a good thing the US Military has a "great moral compass".....otherwise, they might get lost out there.

 



Iron_Soul_Stealer #70 Posted Jul 11 2016 - 00:29

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*In the wake of recent tragic and emotional events, I would like to express my sincerest condolences to all those affected, and to all the families of the fallen. I believe it's time we fortify our nations strength and armour, not with 'bombs' and 'bullets', but with books and bridges.

-Iron

 

 

 

 



Iron_Soul_Stealer #71 Posted Jul 15 2016 - 20:41

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View PostToothDecay, on May 19 2016 - 16:56, said:

 

Get in touch with the VA, please.

Sounds like you're in pain.

Don't let it get worse.

They may not get all their treatments right, but PTSD is something they CAN help with.

Please don't just try to deal.

It doesn't work.

 

^..Again, some excellent advice there.

Furthermore, on that subject...and regarding the recent, tragic, and significant emotional events...

 

I think that the leaders of our great nation should reexamine and take a serious and closer look at this practice/trend of turning soldiers into State Troopers and/or local law enforcement officers. *We have to remember that soldiers are NOT peace officers...and just because someone served in war/combat and knows how to use a weapon... does NOT mean they will make a good cop. In fact, I believe quite the opposite...especially if that vet is already secretly suffering from PTSD right at the get-go. And sadly, many of our returning soldiers and veterans have learned to hide and repress their anger, stress, and trauma...and many of them will even go on to successfully fake psych exams etc. So giving an individual a gun and a badge who is already suffering from PTSD is a very dangerous and volatile situation....and even worse, it's a ticking time bomb...and a tragedy just waiting to happen.

 

*And I know many of you out there will disagree with my opinion...and that's fine. However, I strongly believe that this trend of turning soldiers into cops is a very, very bad idea. And if we don't stop and reassess this practice, we will continue to see even more extreme events and unwarranted shooting fatalities on civilians.

-Iron

 

 

 

 

 



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Good read ...

 

While we are on the topic of what is taught and things that are in hind-site much clearer to our minds to see. Id like to point out what is unseen even in hind-site that is the cause of so many bad things.

 

'Peace time training', you have been in this since, well your entire life. Our leaders are a 'higher class of smart guys', who have been trained a certain way since they were kids too. We call this training Culture, and sub culture. Im not pointing this out for despise, but to understand it in a 'situational perspective'.

 

Emotions and instinct are natural survival training they are inherent, one primary difference between man and animal is a high degree of ability we have to override our instincts, One might say the numerical number of thoughts, we have in reprogramming our minds to operatively act in opposition or concert to that instinctive training in general or specific situations, may increase with how much we reflect on past experiences or even envisioned situations.

 

We are surprised, our leaders do bad things, make bad decisions for selfish reasons, that we go off and fight for no good reason, we follow them like we have been trained to and effortlessly jump at the chance to goto war. Is any of it surprising in hindsite ? Only if we have no fore-site. Economic and industrial preparations for war need to be made up to a year in advance typically or more, we didn't notice ?. I even took a military history class in high school we actually had one in public school, i was about 5,500 days old then the totality of my existance, i some times think on these little odd preperations that i have been part of, as it is not of my own design, but of my cultural training.

 

Very bad peace time training or very good ?

 

Never forget the real preparations for war, begins in peace. From the very time your a kid even in the toys you get, you are preped for war. Now i might add in my view (our culture in the usa is very warlike) and predisposed to jumping the gun easily, (it is said in this trait is a weakness of character). So if your looking for a a way to sum it all up to understand some of your own mental thinking (you maybe don't think about much or maybe you do) so as my answer or a problem or just for comparison, there it is...

 

Our cultural peace time training, is even now very war like.

 

Combine that with greed, ignorance, dishonesty, cruelty, self righteousness, and corruption it cant lead to a good outcome. These are the things we should war against in peace, for they are true enemy's with which their can be no peace because they are no good, yet against that what training do we have ? How hard it is to recognize when we are looking for it in everyone but ourselves how much harder when we have never been taught to look at all, People are taught to listen and do but not to reflect or forsee.

 

So i say there can be no peace just different levels of war and the noobest level of war with the most incompetence, is the one were objects start flying at very high velocity's back and forth.

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by lightwaveTT, Jul 18 2016 - 00:37.


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Wow.

This is one of those times when, i am actually thankful that i don't have the knowledge granted by experience, to actually give an informed opinion on the matter.

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"It is well that War is so terrible lest we should grow too fond of it" - Quote credited to General Robert E Lee and spoken to General Longstreet at Gettysburg.

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View PostAnlushac11, on Aug 13 2016 - 14:55, said:

"It is well that War is so terrible lest we should grow too fond of it" - Quote credited to General Robert E Lee and spoken to General Longstreet at Gettysburg.

 

*Fredericksburg.

Iron_Soul_Stealer #76 Posted Dec 08 2016 - 02:21

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View PostAnlushac11, on Aug 13 2016 - 08:55, said:

"It is well that War is so terrible lest we should grow too fond of it" - Quote credited to General Robert E Lee and spoken to General Longstreet at Gettysburg.

 

^..Good quote.

I've always liked this one:

 

"Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind....War will exist until that day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today."

 

-John F. Kennedy

 

 



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....They made a big mistake when they killed him.

 

 



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Thanks, Chieftain

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"The other impression I got from Tom (the veteran in question) was that when the shooting started, he was either not worried, or varying shades of worried, depending on what was going on. He just did his job, shoving rounds into the breech as best he could. This also matches my experience. Though there was plenty of worrying (and time to worry) in the 99.99% of the time that nothing was going on, once the shooting

started, one just got down to business."


 

I agree.  Although I would not claim a lot of actual combat and do not I consider myself particularly brave, but I have been under fire a few times and remember being struck about how calm everyone was.  We were really too busy to get particularly scared. I asked my Dad, who had two tours in Viet Nam as an infantryman, about that and he said basically the same.   Also, as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer you have other people to worry about and need to be thinking about what happens next.  What happens to you personally is sort of inconsequential...sounds bizarre but there it is. 

 

 



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View PostlightwaveTT, on Jul 17 2016 - 16:34, said:

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Now i might add in my view (our culture in the usa is very warlike) and predisposed to jumping the gun easily, (it is said this trait is a weakness of character)

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So i say there can be no peace just different levels of war and the noobest level of war with the most incompetence, is the one were objects start flying at very high velocity's back and forth.

 

 

^..Yep, sadly...I would have to completely agree with your first point.

*American culture is very warlike {very Roman}...and, unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be changing.

 

And regarding your second point,

I think you just hit on something so crucial that it could, arguably, be one of the most profound and possibly unchangeable aspects of human nature and culture. Outstanding quote, by the way. This is something I wrote waaay back when I was just a young'in.. and as much as I still don't want to believe it, today...it might be the truth:

 

*Peace is just something we have in between wars.

...but for the love of humanity, I sincerely hope we're both wrong.

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