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GHR1227 #1 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 16:49

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I know WG wants us to platoon with same tier tanks, but light tanks should be allowed to platoon with higher tier and get the bonus since they would drag their own tier up.   Come on War Gaming get with it and fix that!

InspectorBean #2 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 16:50

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You expected WG to implement something correctly?  At least it's a step forward.

GHR1227 #3 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 16:55

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View PostInspectorBean, on Jun 02 2016 - 09:50, said:

You expected WG to implement something correctly?  At least it's a step forward.

 

Heheheh touche but at least it shouldn't warn we're in different tank tiers when I'm in a tier VI light and my platoon mate is in a tier VII medium.

That is a legit toon.



ExArmyMP #4 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 17:00

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View PostGHR1227, on Jun 02 2016 - 10:55, said:

 

Heheheh touche but at least it shouldn't warn we're in different tank tiers when I'm in a tier VI light and my platoon mate is in a tier VII medium.

That is a legit toon.

 

You need a warning that the bonus for running the same tier tanks is not going to be in effect because you are in different tiers?  I understand it is legit toon and that WG needs to take light tanks into account, but come on gain some common sense!

Blueref #5 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 17:13

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View PostExArmyMP, on Jun 02 2016 - 11:00, said:

 

You need a warning that the bonus for running the same tier tanks is not going to be in effect because you are in different tiers?  I understand it is legit toon and that WG needs to take light tanks into account, but come on gain some common sense!

 

The OP's point is, as you acknowledged, that the toon should get the bonus, not that a warning pops up.  Please try to comprehend what you read.

GHR1227 #6 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 17:17

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View PostBlueref, on Jun 02 2016 - 10:13, said:

 

The OP's point is, as you acknowledged, that the toon should get the bonus, not that a warning pops up.  Please try to comprehend what you read.

 

Yes, that is my point.  They're trying to force same tier platoons. OK.  But they are penalizing anyone platooning with a scout unless it is a platoon of scouts.

What about scouts that platoon with arty for personal missions?  The combinations are endless.   If they are going to penalize scouts then they need to eliminate

scout MM.


Edited by GHR1227, Jun 02 2016 - 17:19.


alexanderme #7 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 17:42

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I saw a luchs platooned with a pzb2 in a tier 7 game. They got bonus XP for that.

heavymetal1967 #8 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 17:52

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Yeah cause a prem Valentine II (preferred MM only sees tier four) can toon with a tier four scout and see tier seven matches and get a bonus.  GG WG GG.

 

They can claim it's to encourage good platooning and discourage fail platooning all they want which is [edited].  XBox has had a block that will NOT allow a tank to platoon with the platoon creator if it would pull them into a match they wouldn't see otherwise.  Just implement that here WG.  And you can roundfile the penalties.  Also expand the bonus to allow scouts to platoon with non scouts a tier higher and vice versa and still get the bonus.  The block would also keep issues with preferred MM prems out of the mix.   For example a KV-5 platooned with a tier seven scout.

 

Tbh the real reason they're doing it imo is to try to load the MM pot to settle some queue/mm issues.  If not then why would they not apply the change to dynamic platoons?  Because dynamic platoons don't affect MM since they're already queued into a match.

 



heavymetal1967 #9 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 17:59

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View PostGHR1227, on Jun 02 2016 - 11:17, said:

  If they are going to penalize scouts then they need to eliminate

 

 

I think that's planned along with the 3, 5, 7 combo.  All matches have 3 top tier, 5 mid tier and 7 bottom tier.

 

This is one way to get there, by forcing folks to platoon the same tier so MM has more of the same tier to pull from the queue pool.

 

Downside currently is scout MM and preferred MM tanks.

 

They can change anything they want obviously.  And they'll likely eliminate scout MM, but I can't see them eliminating preferred MM - at least for prems.  And tbh for regular tanks like the DW2 and B1 as well.

 

The block supposedly is coming as well which would eliminate preferred MM platoon issues.

 

Again put the damn block in now WG.  Then you could eliminate the penalties since no one could get into a match outside their normal MM.  And still offer the bonuses as incentive to toon same tiers so you get the assist you need for the 3, 5, 7 MM.



desmaraisp #10 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 18:02

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Maybe it is a sign they want to remove scout mm?

heavymetal1967 #11 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 18:12

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http://worldoftanks....latoon-changes/

 [Near the bottom of the above link]

 

 

Beyond Update 9.15, we plan to eliminate the ability to Platoon with vehicles of different tiers. With that change, developers will be able to make the necessary improvements to the way teams are created, also known as "matchmaking".

 

Unlike the existing matchmaking system that depends on the number of players in line for battle on the server, the new system will instead focus on the equality of opposing teams in terms of tier and vehicle type. The current plan is to create battles using the "3-5-7 principle," with three maximum-tier tanks, five mid-tier tanks, and seven mininum-tier tanks for the battle.

 

This new system will not only help to solve the problem of unbalanced teams, but will also improve Random Battle gameplay by allowing vehicles to reach their full potential and can completely change the outcome of battles.

 



Redshirt4Life #12 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 18:20

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How to effectively remove scout MM

Step 1: Move all scouts up one tier

Step 2: That's it, your done.

 

Only problem is that it'll screw over light tanks in strongholds, but really the only thing lights need are Better Maps.

 

I went right into lights when I played. I could never platoon with anyone, and its always sucked. People especially hated platooning with my luchs. I can't wait till they address this.


Edited by Redshirt4Life, Jun 02 2016 - 18:21.


65Camino #13 Posted Jun 02 2016 - 18:21

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The end game is to get rid of fail platoons, if that means we have to platoon with other same tier lights and forego the RU-251/E-100/IS-7 type combo's, then so be it. :P

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View Postheavymetal1967, on Jun 02 2016 - 09:59, said:

 

I think that's planned along with the 3, 5, 7 combo.  All matches have 3 top tier, 5 mid tier and 7 bottom tier.

 

This is one way to get there, by forcing folks to platoon the same tier so MM has more of the same tier to pull from the queue pool.

 

Downside currently is scout MM and preferred MM tanks.

 

They can change anything they want obviously.  And they'll likely eliminate scout MM, but I can't see them eliminating preferred MM - at least for prems.  And tbh for regular tanks like the DW2 and B1 as well.

 

The block supposedly is coming as well which would eliminate preferred MM platoon issues.

 

Again put the damn block in now WG.  Then you could eliminate the penalties since no one could get into a match outside their normal MM.  And still offer the bonuses as incentive to toon same tiers so you get the assist you need for the 3, 5, 7 MM.

 

From what I've read about the MatchMaker changes, I would prefer that WoT does NOTHING instead of simply breaking it worse. Longer queue wait times is all I see from this change.

 

Then I have to wonder where the customer feedback came from which created this change. I never read it here, and I am ALL OVER MatchMaker issues! Thus, WoT is making a change which their Customers have not asked for, while ignoring the changes which HAVE been requested!

 

Thank you for bringing up this non-fix on its way to a worse MatchMaker.



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View PostPhloyd113, on Jun 03 2016 - 12:20, said:

Then I have to wonder where the customer feedback came from which created this change... Thus, WoT is making a change which their Customers have not asked for, while ignoring the changes which HAVE been requested!

Welcome to WOT, where rolling tanks over is the priority and the player concerns since Beta are ignored. 



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View PostPhloyd113, on Jun 03 2016 - 12:20, said:

 

From what I've read about the MatchMaker changes, I would prefer that WoT does NOTHING instead of simply breaking it worse. Longer queue wait times is all I see from this change.

 

Then I have to wonder where the customer feedback came from which created this change. I never read it here, and I am ALL OVER MatchMaker issues! Thus, WoT is making a change which their Customers have not asked for, while ignoring the changes which HAVE been requested!

 

Thank you for bringing up this non-fix on its way to a worse MatchMaker.

 

Why do you think there's the test server, duh?




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